Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lakshman Madurasinghe

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. utcursch | talk 13:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lakshman Madurasinghe

I don't really care if this gets deleted or not, but it needs the assistance of more experienced editors. I tried asking for help with the helpme template and was essentially ignored. This guy keeps reverting my edits, and trying to use his blogs as references. It's essentially a biography that looks like a thinly-veiled resume. Thanks for your time. Salad Days 16:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep It's not terrible, and the subject kind of flops over the notability line. Delete After following the progress of the AfD, I'm changing my vote. - Richfife 17:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - This article violates many many policies and guidelines: WP:V, WP:RS, WP:AUTO/WP:COI, etc. Whether this man passes WP:BIO is debatable, but due to all of the other problems above I'd say nuke this and start over. --Daniel Olsen 19:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment In my opinion this article DOES NOT violate WP:V and WP:RS. If some one says that ONLY INTERNET is a reliable source, I am afraid that it is a case of a BIG Systemic Bias  Doctor Bruno  09:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - it says he's president of a college.Bakaman _Bakatalk 00:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  • • • Vote changed to delete - who is this guy?Bakaman _Bakatalk 01:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

  The article doesn't say he's president of any college. The article says he's an Adjunct Professor at Freedom Bible College. What article doesn't mention is the fact that this college is "accredited" by ACI, which has been classified as "Fraudulent or Unrecognized Accreditor" by Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board[1].

• Comment- This seems an erroneous conclusion about the reference being to Freedom Bible College because he is the President of Maharishi University of Management ,USA- Sri Lanka branch- Incorporated in Dec 1999 as mentioned in the detailed version that was there before. MUM is a fully accredited University in Iowa, USA.I think our focus should be on verifiability and not make pronouncements on other isuues. User: DrVijayantha 10:30, 23 October 2006 (GMT)

• Maharishi University of Management doesn't have any branch in Sri Lanka. According to the official site of the University, Dr. Bevan Morris is the President[2]. There is no mention of a Sri Lanka branch or Prof. Lakshman Madurasinghe anywhere on the University's website. I wasted my precious time searching for a Sri Lanka branch of the University. utcursch | talk 11:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment- There was never a mention of a Maharishi University sri lanka branch web site so there was no reference to look for it.The comments of some others stated the legal reference to its registration and details filed in Govt registry regarding its operations since Dec 1999 when it was incorporated in Sri Lanka. User: DrVijayantha 11.00, 23 October 2006 (GMT)

• So, next time somebody says "Mr. XYZ is President of Sri Lanka branch of Stanford", we should accept it. I fail to understand this: The Sri Lanka branch has been existing since 1999, but still there is no mention of it on the official University website!utcursch | talk 12:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment

Thank you for all your observations. If the consensus is to delete because it doesn't meet wiki norms then please do so. I thought of adding a note that we have contacted the Director General of SUNFO who has confirmed the following;

Prof.Madurasinghe is the Chairman of the Board of Trustees as well as the Adviser on Human rights and also the Dean of their Centre for full human potential developemnt(CFHPD).Their old free site is still valid and they are in the process of transferring data to the official site .

The Director General himself has been in the Board of Maharishi Univerity Sri Lanka Chapter and is well aware of its operations. It had been having dialogues with the government to allocate land for University buildings which had not materialized hence they had conducted modular units on consciousness conducted by prof.Madurasinghe. A large delegation of scientists had visited Sri Lanka in 1999 and held public sessions. This may be a reason why it is not in the main web page of MUM identified as a fully operational university.

There is with them a document signed by Dr.Bevan Morris addressed to H.E.The President of Sri Lanka dated 3 Jan 2000, in which he says " Dr.Lakshman Madurasinghe is now heading the Mahrishi University of management & Maharishi Global Administration- Sri Lanka , which has been legally incorporated".

The Board of Directors had nine foreigners and six Sri Lankans. Dr Bevan Morris's name is also among them. The offical documents are all available with them for inspection by anyone interested. mahindaintellect 12:12, 24 October 2006 (IT)

In that case, this information should be available with MUM authorities. Right? If you agree, we shall verify this information by sending an e-mail to relevant authorities. utcursch | talk 07:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment

The Board of Directors had nine foreigners and six Sri Lankans. Dr Bevan Morris's name is also among them. The offical documents are all available with them for inspection by anyone interested.

We Have the names of foreigners as follows: Dr.Bevan Morris; Dr.Nand Kishore; Prof.Tony Nader; Dr.Neil Patterson; Dr.Volker Schanbacher; Dr.Benjamin Feldman; Dr.Hartmann; Dr. W Bosch; Dr.T Eickhoff;

Original letter dated 12 Nov 1999 giving the names of the board has been signed by Dr.Bevan Morris;

We also understood from Director General SUNFO that the Institution has been in operation since 31 Dec 1999 and still exists as a legally incoporated body with annual returns furnished to Sri Lankan government until last year ,2005. He said he would make available copies of both letters for review as and when needed. The memorandum & articles legally incorporating are also available.

He further confirmed that Prof.Madurasinghe visited Vlodrop , Holland in 2000 when he met Maharishi, Dr.Morris and Dr.Tony Nader. His interview with Dr.Tony Nader was telecast worldwide via satellite through their channel. SUNFO has a copy of the interview on CD in which Dr.Nader confirms that Prof.nadurasinghe is the Head of Mah Uni in Sri Lanka and displays the land area photo identified where the university Buildings will one day be put up based on funding.

We are sure that Dr.Morris has a copy of same. mahindaintellect 14:36, 24 October 2006 (IT)

• Not sure OK, it's a partially rewritten CV but, on the face of it, describing a notable person. I do have a problem with the educational background though. In 1972 he takes GCE A Levels. Four years later, he's a lawyer, but no mention of any studying/qualifications in between. Could be an oversight.........but he lists son many other segrees and diplomas that he can't have had time to do anything except gather qualifications, or buy them??? The "Open International University for Complementary Medicines" does not look like a genuine institution. But I could be wrong and don't have time to search any furtherUser:Emeraude 23:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

• Note to closer: The "doctors" that have "voted" above have created accounts very recently and haven't contributed elsewhere except to the article and this AfD. JYolkowski // talk 02:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Note to Closer Contributions of one doctor who has not created the account recently and contributed elsewhere  Doctor Bruno  14:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• • • Sorry, wasn't referring to you, didn't even notice you there. Actually, your username doesn't even include "Dr". JYolkowski // talk 02:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unless references added before end of AfD, in which case keep. Seems like a person we should have an article about, but we need references to verify the article's content, else the article is likely to be original research and needs to be deleted. JYolkowski // talk 02:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment The person is certainly notable. The only problem seems to be the fact that he has ignored the rule that the subject should only write in Talk Pages and not in the Main Space. I would ask the closing admin to note that issues of WP:V and WP:RS are settled in favour of keep and the only question is regarding the edits probably made by the concerned person himself. Till we Verify that user Lakshmanm is really the Mr.Lakshman Madurasinghe, we cannot accuse Vanity. Remember that editors of Wikipedia (inspite of the fact that they have more than 10 edits!!!) also have an obliging duty to verify that User Lakshmanm and Mr.Lakshman Madurasinghe are the same person. If that be the case, there occurs a conflict of interest. As per WP:COI an author's conflict of interest by itself is not a basis for deletion, but lack of assertion of notability is Remember that lack or presence in Google for some one from Asia cannot be taken as a sign of non notability.  Doctor Bruno  09:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC) Also Wikipedia does not have only Articles on Saints. Taking in a lighter vein, as per the results of the online research done by Utcursch, when someone has so may degrees that are of doubtful nature, it too is a notable fact !!!!  Doctor Bruno  09:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC) Changed to Delete Based on the information turning up after the research of fellow-editors  Doctor Bruno  02:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete unless some good references are added. See comments below. utcursch | talk 09:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per research by Utcursch. As expressed so well by User:Mariano Anto Bruno Mascarenhas above, "when someone has so may degrees that are of doubtful nature, it too is a notable fact". Documenting this would leave us with a substantially negative article about an otherwise non-notable person, which fails WP:BLP.- gadfium 21:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per excellent research done by utcursch below. --Gurubrahma 03:11, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete insufficient evidence of notability from objective third party sources. Edison 17:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per Daniel Olson and others above. No concrete evidence of passing WP:BIO, and certainly seems to fail WP:V. --AbsolutDan ^(talk) 23:56, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Even if it passes WP:V and WP:COI, this guy definitely isn't notable. Even after all this hubbub, fewer than 200 Ghits? Get rid of it! M1ss1ontomars2k4 ^{(T | C | @)} 03:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom as blatant conflict of interest. Although the subject may have some legitimate achievements, these are substantially crowded out by dubious claims and CV padding fellow editors have unearthed. In any event, I am doubtful as to the genuine achievements of this person, who I believe is merely "professorial" and no more. Fundamentally, I fail to see the link between his achievements and his accolades, assuming they are all genuine ;-). At best, he is a delete per WP:NN. The sources provided in the article and here in this forum all suggest a good part of the information is not reliable. As responsible editors of wikipedia, I believe we have no option but to delete this article which completely lacks credibility per WP:V. Ohconfucius 05:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Comments by Utcursch

Here are some of my observations. utcursch | talk 09:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• The said person secured a Masters & Doctorate in Comparative Religions from California Graduate School of Theology, USA. According to the article on California Graduate School of Theology, the institute is unaccredited and has "little standing in the academic community" (the article provides enough references for that).

• Comment- This is a biased statement. There are many in the Christian world who would beg to disagree regarding many interdenominational schools and colleges that provide sound Christian training. Cal Grad School has many Faculty who are highly qualified from Oxford, Fulller, Oral Roberts and so on. Same comment applies to Freedom Bible College which has branches in Korea and several other places as well. User: DrVijayantha 10.30, 23 October 2006 (GMT)

• CPEC doesn't list this institute as an accredited one. The article California Graduate School of Theology provides citations to prove what you've termed as a "biased statement". May I ask you to provide some citations for your statements? utcursch | talk 11:25, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• He is an Adjunct Professor at Freedom Bible College. The college is "accredited" by ACI which has an entry at List of unrecognized accreditation associations of higher learning. ACI has a sordid history and is not reputable at all[3]. ACI is offshoot of "International Accrediting Commission", which was fined and closed down by authorities in Missouri in 1989. It opened later in Arkansas as "ACI"[4]. Although it has not been declared illegal by the authorities yet, it is not recgonized by US Department of Education[5]. ACI has an official entry as "Fraudulent or Unrecognized Accreditors"[6].

• The "Open International University", where he claims to be a faculty, doesn't seem to be of much repute either. From Confessions of a Quack: "The M.D. was apparently bought from Lord Pandit Prof. Dr. Sir Anton Jayasuriya (1930-2005) of Sri Lanka. Jayasuriya created Medicina Alternativa International in Sri Lanka and claimed to be affiliated with The Open International University [presumably to be confused with the Open University of Sri Lanka]. He sold diplomas for various fields. I have a copy of his charge list for 1962. For $3,750 USD one could buy any of the following degrees: M.D. (M.A.), M.D. (T.M.), Dr. Ac., or Ph.D.". Also, I don't know if this is related: "For an additional fee of $400-US, outstanding students are awarded an M.D. (which is their abbreviation for Masters Degree) or other degrees such as B.Science, or extra credentials. We were told that 'OIU' has additional prizes such as 'the Albert Schweitzer Award and Knighthood' (for an additional fee of $400-US)."

• Comment- This is a further biased statement. This University has a record of treating over 3 million patients. It was involved in complementary forms of treatment as such it did annoy drug manufacturers.Many who have found total cure are available all over the wolrd and being in that faculty and also in the CAM faculty of USA seems a worthy effort. User: DrVijayantha 10.30, 23 October 2006 (GMT)

  I've given provided sources. May I ask you to you to provide sources for the statements you've made? utcursch | talk 11:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• The SUNFO link provided by User:Attorneys[7] is not from SUNFO's official website, but from a free site hosted at freeservers[8]. The user also wrongly states that [9] is a journal -- it's a newsletter and more like a college magazine. utcursch | talk 10:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment- The free site was what SUNFO used for many years and SUNFO got a new site recently. This link was available for quite some time. The officials are the same. The user never wrongly asserted that there was a journal article at IPM. It has been mentione by someone here who commented that such an article has been discovered. User: DrWijetunge 4.45, 23 October 2006 (IT)

• The user did assert that it was a journal[[10] ]. Your argument regarding the official site doesn't go down well, because we've no reason to believe that Prof. Lakshman Madurasinghe has been a Chairman, Board of Trustees since 1999. utcursch | talk 12:04, 23 October 2006 (

• Comment

Since Sunfo has an offcial website it would be a very easy task to get a clarification directly from them whether he is the Chairman of the Board of Trustees. User:mahindaintellect21:36 , 23 October 2006 (IT)

• 53 Google results, none of which indicate notability per WP:BIO.

• The sources provided by the editors include [11] (from multiply.com - a personal networking site), youtube (a video on his contributions) and a free site hosted at 8m.net[12].

• Having an article published with Daily News, SLID and CiteMan is not sufficient for WP:BIO.

• The Millenniel Directory of Sri Lankan Personalities[13] seems to be a non-notable[14] commercial directory published by a marketing agency.

• Comment- Here is another example of bias. This directory has been produced by Key Research which is a subsidiary of one of the largest conglomorates in Sri Lanka- The Ceylinco Group. Over 1000 entries of many eminent personalities are contained in this directory. User: DrWijetunge 4.45, 23 October 2006 (IT)

• Key Research is a marketing agency. After dubious assertions such as the discussed person being "President" of the Maharishi University of Management, "Sri Lanka branch", we've hardly any reason to believe in the citations provided. Notability of Ceylinco Consolidated doesn't make the concerned person notable. utcursch | talk 12:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Journal Positive Thinker[15] doesn't seem to be a notable publication.

• Comment- Here is another example of bias. It is not for one or the other editors to decide on how noteworthy the publication is but whether there was such a publication and whether such an entry was contained in that.I thought that was wiki policy. fact not truth. We seem to be violating these very standards in some comments we make. User: DrWijetunge 4.45, 23 October 2006 (IT)

• Comment- There is heavy bias here as well. No mention has been made at all to the fact that he is a qualified lawyer plus his contributions in HR field, the official journal of Bar association which carries an article on "Therapeutic Jurisprudence".There is an article in the Sri Lanka Institute of Directors. No one should blame him for providing free artricles and downloads in his own sites. He has been in Haggai faculty, had discussions with a known Islamic Scholar, Ahmed Deedat etc. This way of selective reasoning simply tends to leave the truth diluted and the main points missed. User: DrWijetunge 4.45, 23 October 2006 (IT)

• We cannot have an article on everybody who claims to be a notable person. The burden of evidence lies on the contributors, not others. Provide some reliable citations, and I'll vote keep. utcursch | talk 12:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Comments/votes from users with 10 edits or less

• As the supervisor of this biographical entry I must lodge my objection to the deletion of this entry which is clear in content and contain details known to the outside world which are verifiable , as you say in your policy. I did not see any experienced editors trying to improve on this except posting simple clean up comments or easy recommendation for deletion.If more attention had been paid, you could have preserved the entry. We have done our best to provide with references and material to review and be still available if clarfications are needed. Thanks. User:mahindaintellect 22:25, (22 October 2006 (IT)

Note: The user has a total of 10 edits, all of them related to this article. utcursch | talk 07:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - The following two references are available for anyone to view in print;

Deputy Governor ABI Research Association USA, with entry in International Directory of Distinguished Leadership, 9 th Edition, 2000, ISSN 1087-3988

Entry in The Millennial Register of Sri Lankan Personalities- 2006 released by Key Research and Information Ltd 9 ½ Arthur’s Place, Colombo 4 ,Sri Lanka

I have personally read the book on "Clinical Psychology" authored by him.

Sri Lanka Bar Association confirms that he is a Lawyer on role having taken oaths in 1976- no 6542

The Open International University functioned from Government University Teaching Hospital Colombo South with a day clinic for over 20 years.

Sri Lanka United Nations activities could be verified by contacting them on www.sunfo.org

User:DrVijayantha 06:21, 23 October (IT)

Note: The user has a total of 6 edits, all of them related to this article. utcursch | talk 07:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - He seems to be an accomplished scholar which may appear confusing until a deeper study is made to understand the spheres of involvement.

The following sites are all available for any verifications.

http:www.ffmw.org where he says he now functions as Academic Director

CIPD-London is a premier body for HR professionals under Royal Charter. If he is a Chartered fellow that is the highest membership category as a professional. They are available at http://www.cipd.co.uk .

Haggai is well known worldwide and operate both in Singapore and Hawaaii. He says he is in the International faculty. They could be contacted easily on www.haggai-institute.com

Sri Lanka Law College site gives specifics of their qualifying exams and there is a no confusion on this isse: They are available on http://www.justiceministry.gov.lk/Law%20college/SRI%20LANKA%20LAW%20COLLEGE.htm

I think before we decide to amend or delete such articles we must somehow check with the biographee as well if we have to clarify any confusing issues. I am sure that could be done since his site provides enough contacts.

His web site, local newspapers and several directories contain sufficient data to back up what the biographer has attempted to develop. Perhaps it needs expert help to put toegether.

User:DrGujarath 01:18, 23 October 2006 (GMT)

Note: The user has a total of 2 edits, all of them related to this article. utcursch | talk 07:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep- This is a normal desciption but needs expert handling.

Many references match. His photo album contains photo of FFMW graduation which is also available in FFMW site given as http://www.ffmw.org He also provides a photo of Ahmed Deedat with whom he is said to have had an interview in 1987

Sri Lanka Institute of Directors article is one out of 22 they seem to have considered worth including. Their members data base lists him as an ordinary member.

Article in Law Journal on therapeutic Jurisprudence is a published article in a professional Law Journal.

He has provided many downloads on subjects he is conversant with free to the public.

User:DrWijetunge 8.00 , 23 October 2006 (IT)

Note: The user has a total of 3 edits, all of them related to this article. utcursch | talk 07:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Verifiability

I understood wiki policy to be that no original research - but references should be avilable elsewhere.

If that is so is it not evidence that so many published articles exist ?

Law journal article in which the subject terapeutic jurisprudence appeared also has ISBN: 1391-1198 2004 vol x part 11 -isn't this published evidence?

I also found an additional article in Business Journal called LMD- The voice of Business October 2004 ISSN 1391-135x pages 150-151 in which he has been interviewd on HR-Creating Complete Professionals. His comments appear with a photograph. I believe this is also published verifiable evidence.

Then out of the following:

1. Directory of Distinguished Leaders- American Biographical Institute, USA-2000- has an ISSN number 1087-3988- This is verifiable published evidence
2. The Millennial Register of Sri Lankan Personalities- 2006- Published evidence
3. Freedom Bible College & Seminary- Professor: http://freedomministries.com/catalog2.html#professors this is in their own website- so independent evidence
4. Article Citeman-Job Analysis Guidelines: 2006 http://www.citeman.com/job-analysis-interview-guidelines - independent evidence
5. Article New Paradigm E-Business to E-Consciousness- Daily News 2002 :http://www.dailynews.lk/2002/04/02/bus50.html - National News paper- published evidence
6. Article Sunday Times Plus 2002: Going beyond the outer show:http://lakdiva.org/suntimes/020217/plus8.html - National Newspaper- Published evidence
7. Article Citeman - Maslow's peak experience and Consciousness- published evidence

I am not sure whether we seem to ignore available evidence trying to look for what is not available or what seems to be the problem? mahindaintellect 9:29, 23 October 2006 (IT)

• Inconsistent Wiki Standards

I am not too sure whether you apply standards in a unform way in all biographies ?

In Daniel Olson's comment above this is listed for deletion under category India. The biograhee is a Sri Lankan. In the following two biographies listed in wiki have you followed verifiable independent evidence?

• Comment So... the consensus is keep. And none of you have made an edit to improve the page. I should just go ahead and nominate this for featured article status and add it to the front page. Salad Days 04:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. -- Ageo020 (Talk • Contribs) 18:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Sheikh Mohammed Shakir

Sheikh Mohammed Shakir b. Ahmad b. ‘Abd al-Qadir was born in 1282 Hijri/1866 CE in Jirja, a city in Upper Egypt. He studied and graduated from Al Azhar University. He died in 1358 Hijri/1939 CE in Cairo. Where is evidence to suport this ?

His son, Sheikh Ahmad Mohammed Shakir, wrote his biography in a treatise entitled Mohammed Shakir ‘Alam min A‘lam al-‘Asr. Positions • Sudan's Supreme Judge for four years (1990-1993) • Dean of Alexandria's Scholars • Al-Azhar Secretary General ("Wakil") and a member of its board of directors • Member of Al-Azhar Corps of High Scholars • Member of Al Azhar legislative Society ("al-Jam‘iyya al-Tashri‘iyya") References 1. ^ Works by M. H. Shakir at Project Gutenberg- Gutenburg has no entry in his name. Islam online biography of translator- is just a page -Who created it ?

Thomas Nedunthally

Thomas Harris Nedunthally was born in Trivandrum, Kerala, India on December 12th, 1982. He is in his own little world although well read and socialized. He believes that he would be the divine force in making a change. He is yet to accomplish anything that could affect peoples lives. But if you would like to know more about him do read on. ( IS THIS VERFIABLE EVIDENCE?)

He moved to Abu Dhabi Indian School (ADIS), where he began his maturing stage. In the 9th, 10th and 11th standard he got the 2nd place in his school for the Gulf Mathematics Olympiad (GMO). That seemed to be the first stage of his growing and keen interest in mathematics due to the relative ease in which he achieved it. WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE ?

After an eventful and enjoyable 11th and 12th standard he wrote the SAT II and got into Electrical Engineering at IIT Madras in 2000. He did pretty well in his first year but he was a slacker. He had an attention problem and couldn't attend classes properly. In his 2nd year, after his 3rd semester he didn't write 3 exams due to the boring nature of the courses. He saw the lack of future of the lazy students at IIT, and decided that he had to move on. He knew that the only courses he could concentrate are theoretical ones such as Math and Computer Science. So that seemed to be the best option for him.

Compared to a students entry like Nedunthally do you think the article under discussion has no contribution or unverifiable evidence ?

I am just surprised why we don't look at what is available. I recommend to keep it.

User:Rukhmanthi 10:04, 23 October 2006 (IT)

The user has a total of 2 edits all of which are related to this article. utcursch | talk 07:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The article is up for deletion. You can cast your vote here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Nedunthally. utcursch | talk 07:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Not only keep but expand on it. Going through all connected views and sites I not only feel that we should keep the article but perhaps some professional editor needs to expand it and capture the work on a person who should be honoured in a befitting manner. User:mahendrika05:30, 23 October 2006 (GMT)

The user has a total of 1 edit all of which are related to this article. utcursch | talk 07:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Maharsihi University Sri Lanka Branch verified We have additional verification about a statement that was in a previous draft that he was the president of Maharishi University Sri Lanka branch and chosen as vice-chancellor of the proposed university. The Government records show a legal incorporation on 31 Dec 1999 bearing number N(A) 817 The memorandum and articles of incorporation filed with the government clearly identifies him as president and has a few other local professionals plus around nine foreign persons as board members.

This is contributed towards independent verification. Recommendation is to keep and improve on article User:attorneys 11:50, 23 October 2006 (IT) The user has a total of 2 edits all of which are related to this article. utcursch | talk 07:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Here are two more verified points We checked the International Bar Association - London ( The International Association of Lawyers) Membership directory CD which gives the following member details;

Member Search

Member Details

Name: Dr Lakshman Madurasinghe Law Firm: 282/9 Kotte Road Address: Nugegoda Sri Lanka Sri Lanka

Languages: Eng Sections: Specialist Groups Committees: Academics ' Forum (SPG-ACA) Practice Areas: Company and Corporate Constitutional Law Education and Continuing Legal Education Human Rights Labour and Employment

In addition we also verified with University of cambridge- Cambridge society membership and he is listed under member number 19940349 listed as Dr.L madurasinghe User:attorneys12:14, 23 October 2006 (IT)

• • Comment: This is getting confusing. How does Cambridge come in to all this? Nowhere in the article is it mentioned that he studied or worked at Cambridge. From the website of the Cambridge Society [16]: "We're a membership society, set up by the University in 1976 by the late Professor Jack Linnett, the then Vice-Chancellor, to enable past and present members of the University to remain in touch with the University and each other." Explain that.Emeraude 14:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment

In an earlier version there was a statement that he had followed therapeutic jurisprudence at Cambridge which may well account for how he is a member of the society which is for cambridge alumni.In one of his web sites he mentions a clear e-mail which is a cantab.net used only by alumni. User:mahindaintellect21:14, 23 October 2006 (IT)

Further verifiable evidence from Journal Positive Thinker We have copies of Journal Positive Thinker 2002 August and September issues ISSN 1391-7609 where he has contributed two articles. Includes photo. This adds to about ten independent verifiable evidence available on this biographee. User:mahindaintellect 12:30, 23 October 2006 (IT)

More independent evidence is appearing in support- 3 more new sources The Chartered Institute of Personnel and development -London lists him as a FELLOW his ID number is 10274493. Their site is http://www.cipd.co.uk

They carry his boigraphical data as follows:

Prof. Madurasinghe was chosen by the International Biographical Centre, Cambridge, England, as one of the 2000 outstanding Intellectuals of the 20th Century and is the pioneer of e- Consciousness concept of transformation .He is an Attorney, Consultant Psychologist, and an Internationally trained HR professional and Trainer in Sri Lanka, and the CEO/MD of Intellect.

He worked in the largest trading group in UAE, Alfuttaim, and the oil giant, ADNOC and was also in the Senior management of Standard Chartered Bank , Sri Lanka as its Head of HR, and also served Ceysilks ,Caves group of companies and Maharajas. At one time he served as the Vice President Operations of a large BOI export company at the Free trade zone.

In 1993, he was elected the Watson Scholar of Haggai Institute for Advanced Leadership ( Singapore). He is a Chartered Fellow of CIPD (London), Fellow of ITD (SL), and an active member of Cambridge University Society (UK).

Taking oaths as an Attorney and later specializing in HRD, he secured a Diploma in HR (SL), Certificate in Industrial Relations (Japan), MS in Psychology (Brighton), MA and PhD ( Cal Grad Sc-USA, and OIU) in Comparative Religions, and Clinical Psychology. He has received training on HAY and MEIRC systems of Job Evaluation, Compensation and Counselling in London and USA.

He is the author of “Organizational Behaviour”, and the joint author of “ Clinical Psychology” and a 12-volume set on “World Religions. The first two covering Buddhism and Christianity were released in November 2004.

He is also in the Faculty of Haggai Institute of Advanced Leadership and lectures both in Singapore and Hawaii. Web: http://lmadurasinghe.googlepages.com

In addition to this We have also found that in the Sri Lanka United Nations fr Org (SUNFO) in one of their sites http://www.sunfo.8m.com/CDFHP.html he is listed as: Academic Dean Prof.Lakshman Madurasinghe

Thirdly, we have found at the following link another article he had authored appearing in the Institute of Personnel management journal: http://www.ipmlk.org/Downloads/People%20Power_November.pdf The journal page 6 gives his article on " Developing future transformational Leaders" User:attorneys 13:04, 23 October 2006 (IT)

Millenniel Directory of Sri Lankan Personalities He had mentioned that he was included in this. This was released in 2006 and is identified a collectors coffee table edition. details are available on http://www.keyresearch.lk User:mahendrika 08:20, 23 October 2006 (GMT)

• Comments: Quote "One of the 2000 outstanding Intellectuals of the 20th century ,IBC Cambridge, England. [17]". Take a look at the website, and while you're there, submit yourself for entry!! Then we will all be notable enough for Wikipedia.
• Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development accepts for entry anyone who presents a qualification/experience and pays the fee. See the website [18]
• I've still not had an answer to my query yeaterday about what he did between GCE A level taking a lawyer's oath that qualified him as a lawyer. Yesterday I abstained. Now I recommend DELETE. Emeraude 14:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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You shouldn't again jump to conclusions without finding out what Law college system is .This is very well explained in their site http://www.justiceministry.gov.lk/Law%20college/SRI%20LANKA%20LAW%20COLLEGE.htm I suggest you study that carefully to understand what happens to those who have completed GCE A/Level exams and how to become a lawyer in Sri Lanka.

As regards your personal opinion on CIPD-Lond is another example of a hasty conclusion and a totally misleading comment that anyone can join as a fully qualified professional member.I know many who are membes of CIPD and none of them were ever able to get there without years of study and assessment.I suggest to enlighten others and also add humour that you apply and tell the world what happens.Getting it will be better than simply assuming such falasies.At most you will join as a trainee or affiliate member only. User:mahindaintellect21:14, 23 October 2006 (IT)

• For your information, I had looked carefully at all of the sites, and others, and I become more suspicious the more I saw. Regarding CIDP London, from their website: Chartered Member (Chartered MCIPD) - "Must demonstrate three years' relevant experience at management level as well as CPD over the last year." Of course, this man is a Chartered Fellow (Chartered FCIPD) - "Available for upgrade from Chartered MCIPD membership" i.e., it is possible to easily progress through the ranks on the basis if experience and accreditation of previous experience, which could include questionable awards from abroad. Regardless, achieving fellowship of the CIDP would not mean notabilty. Regarding IBC Cambridge: No comment from you because it is a paid-to-be-included publication that has no value. Emeraude 19:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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Thank you for visiting CIPD site as mentioned. Here are some details about them and if you are interested you may visit the link to get their annual report which provides more details.

Like any other professional body, members progress over a period of time but as far as we are aware CIPD has assessments and direct supervision of record and work places to verifiy service details and they are not follish enough to go by mere assumptions to upgrade a member.

http://www.cipd.co.uk/about/areport/

It has been another successful year for the CIPD. Membership has continued to grow. A 2.3% increase in the last year took total CIPD membership to over 127,500, of whom 47,000 are chartered members. We’ve met all our financial objectives, as well as adding to the range and quality of services we offer to our members – this three-pronged approach underpins our continuing success.

The educational route is the most popular way to become a member of the CIPD. It will help you develop the skills and knowledge you need to launch your professional career. Our Professional Standards govern entry to CIPD membership and form the basis of all our qualifications. They act as a benchmark for the profession. They define levels of knowledge and competence you need to demonstrate when operating in a support role, practitioner or at an advanced level.

To be eligible you must hold one of the following: • a CIPD-approved or accredited qualification • an MBA • a National or Scottish Vocational qualification (NVQ/SVQ) at level 3 or above in a relevant occupational area • a SQA HNC in Human Resource Management or Learning and Development • a Certificate in Training and Development (CTD) • a Diploma in Training Management User:mahindaintellect 13:08, 24 October 2006 (IT)

• There is no need to quote huge chunks of the CIPD website - we can all read it for ourselves. But seeing as you have, let me take a couple of points from your quotes. (1) "To be eligible you must hold one of the following.... NVQ/SVQ level 3". Not impressive. For people outside UK who do not understand British qualifications, let me explain that NVQ 3 is roughly equivalent to A Levels. It is a vocational qualification that would typically be held by an 18 year old hairdresser, plumber, baker, care worker. Worth having, but NOT impressive. (2) "Last year took total CIPD membership to over 127,500". How many? Not an exclusive club giving notability to its members then. Emeraude 10:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

• Note In case anyone is interested, I found a detailed account of his contributions maintained at Intellect site that can be viewed at http://eintellect.multiply.com/journal/item/12

User:Mahendrika09:22, 26 October 2006 (IT)

Probably you mean to say "I wrote a detailed account..."? Multiply is a social networking site, where anybody can create an account, a profile, write anything. utcursch | talk 12:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

• Note Multiply is a network site and the company Intellect maintains a web page here. You are right in that in any place anybody can write anything. The detailed account written by independent analysts attached to this company was prepared purely from available evidence which is avaialable to any other as well.

User:mahindaintellect 19:10, 26 October 2006 (IT)

No one cares about what you are saying, sockpuppet. STFU. Salad Days 06:22, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL - Richfife 19:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

• Note Perhaps initially when our team worked on this biography the noteworthy contributions may not have been adequately captured by our analysts. However at Intellect site a comprehensive account is available which has been backed by readily available evidence. The first few paras will indicate what he has done for ordinary masses.http://eintellect.multiply.com/journal/item/12

We have also managed to take a 2 mt video clip out of the 40 mt interview which he had with Prof.Tony Nader , International President of Maharishi University when he visited the campus in Holland in March 2000. This was telecast via satellite worldwide. The clip could be found here: http://eintellect.multiply.com/video/item/3

It very clearly introduces him as the President of Maharishi University Sri Lanka. Mahindaintellect 10:53, 28 October 2006

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