Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kyova Mall

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No Consensus/default keep. Xoloz 16:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kyova Mall

A mall with no assertion, (or hint of) notability. Fails WP:CORP, the most relevent standard. I had prod'd this (and four others) after the deletion of Greengate Mall (discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greengate Mall), a n-n closed mall, but it was de-prod'd. I therefore suggest Delete.Inner Earth 22:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

For those of us who are not knowledgeable Wikipedia users, can you use basic non-acronym English? The article fits well within the Dead Mall defination before a new owner, and the article could be renamed to 'Cedar Knoll Galleria' before its new owner. Seicer 22:35, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Comment My apologies for including so much unnecessary jargon in the nomination. WP:CORP is the guideline for judging whether a corperation is sufficiently notable to have an article written about it in Wikipedia; I believe that this mall doesn't meet those criteria. When I wrote that I 'prod'd' the article, I menat that I had proposed it for deletion. As is any editors right, User:JJay had challenged this proposed deletion by removing the tag - s/he de-prod'd the article. The discusssion surrounding Greengate Mall (linked to above) suggested to me that just because a 'dead mall' could be defined, unless they were is some way notable they should not have an article, I used n-n to abbreviate non-notable. I hope that is a slightly more coherent explaination than my previous attempt! Inner Earth 09:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Well-written and informative article with obvious historical, regional interest. Could use slightly better sourcing, but also has a number of links --JJay 22:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep A good local history article. Chicheley 01:26, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. I agree the point remains it belongs in some local history book. Tychocat 01:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. That's not local history, that's local trivia. --Calton | Talk 01:53, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, fails corporate notability standards. Nothing more than local trivia. --Coredesat talk 03:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Having lived in the WV-KY-OH Tri-State region for some time, I relize the importance of this mall to local development. Not only that, but the mall is an interesting study into the do's and dont's of economic development. A combination of bad management, tenants with corporate financial issues (K-mart and Phar-Mor), and local liquor licensing issues (dry county in which the mall is located vs a wet city nearby with competing mall). While this mall is still having many problems, essentially defunct, many new developments have taken place that may bring the mall back from the brink. New owners, ideas, and business models (including a new theater) are being put into place to turn things around. Deleting this article will not only undermine the "Defunct Malls Project," but also cause Wikipedia to turn a blind eye to an interesting study of economic redevelopment in an ecomically stressed area. Campaigner444 18:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Comment so do you think that this mall meets WP:CORP? Or that the existance of a wikiproject is sufficient to make us keep articles which would otherwise fail our standards? Inner Earth 18:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:CORP states that "This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, television documentaries, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations." There have been several independent news organizations report on information about the mall, including one listed in the article. Also, the mall has an interesting history and is currently undergoing many changes that could be very important the local area. There are many malls within Wikipedia with much less of a storied history, yet they are allowed to remain without question. In Wikipedia there is a list of defunct malls, which for all practical purposes, this mall falls into. I admit, it needs to be cleaned up to meet the standards of the project, but that can ba accomplished. Here are a couple of links to indpendent articles about the mall if there are any questions. [1][2]Campaigner444 19:20, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep as per JJay. --Merovingian {T C @} 19:09, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.