Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Knuckle Duster (Radio 2-B)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete Proto::type 10:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Knuckle Duster (Radio 2-B)

Knuckle Duster (Radio 2-B) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Previously prod'ed, with that tag being removed and no extra evidence of notability being added. Essentially, we have here a 25sec interlude on an album by a notable band. It's not even an album track which didn't get released as a single, it's 25 seconds of excerpts from radio programs (either real or artificial). There are a couple of other tracks on the same album which would appear to fall into this category as well, but I'm refraining from mass-nominating them for the simple reason that it would muddy the waters. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. At best it would rate as information that should be on the main album article. -- Whpq 17:34, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. So all notable tracks must be singles? Is that right? I don't think so. Because alot of the songs on this album stand out, despite never being released as singles (this statement not being just my opinion). You say this track isn't notable? Well I couldn't disagree more. White Zombie uses many audio samples in many of their songs and this track in particular represents that individual trait, a trait for which they were somewhat known for. Merge into the main album article you say? Well, I believe the information placed in the main album article is specifically for the album alone. The information I have given for the track, however, is specifically about track, which may conveniantly be placed under the page specifically for the song (Knuckle Duster (Radio 2-B)) to prevent a clutter on the main album page, which I do not wish to see). People visit this site to learn about what they are seeking (or at least I do...). If one visits this site with the intention of gaining knowledge about this song, then all the info they need could be right here for them. I am just trying to make it easier for people. -- Soul Crusher 02:15, 25 November 2006

All quite valid points, however the current attempts at formulating a notability guideline on the matter certainly tend to come down more heavily on the side of singles than album tracks, unless the album track is something like "Stairway to Heaven". It's that particular proposed guideline to which I'm referring when I say "notable", rather than anything else. In terms of the band using audio samples, I'll agree that that's a distinctive trait, but I'm not convinced that a 25sec compilation of some of these is important just because it demonstrates this trait in action. As far as a merge goes, perhaps the idea would be to add a section to the main album article listing the various samples used and then add that these particular 4 samples are on this track, these 3 are on a different track and so on. If done well, it would hardly clutter up the album's page. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

If this particluar track was a particular example of the sampling that media and critics consistently singled out as an example, then by citing these sources, one can establish the notability that has been claimed. But failing that, picking this one track as an example is one editor's opinion, and does not meet WP:V. -- Whpq 21:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete or merege into La Sexorcisto: Devil Music, Vol. 1 Although guidelines on songs are hazy and uncertain, an album track is generally only notable seperatly from an album if it has received attention in the media for being particularly good (or for some other quality), or if it has been used in film/advertisements. This song hasn't done any of those things. That said, there's info about the song and as 'redirects are cheap', I don't see why we couldn't merge anything relevant into the album's page. Robdurbar 13:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. WMMartin 18:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

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