Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kirven's

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The result of the debate was delete. Flowerparty■ 05:47, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kirven's

Speedied, undeleted by WP:DRV, on a request that indicated merging, but at least two people wanted it listed here, so here it is. -Splash^talk 23:46, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

• Merge or keep, real department store and local institution. [1]. Kappa 01:40, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Sorry, Kappa, but your cited article barely mentions the store. Xoloz 01:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
  • The article confirms was a local institution, you're saying I can't read about because it doesn't google very well? Kappa

Kappa, sorry to be picky, but: "V.V. Vick, who died of heart problems Saturday at age 93, left behind a business he started on a shoestring in 1929. His first storefront was on 12th Street, followed by a move a few years later to Broadway, where he would become something of a local institution, along with Schomburg's Jewelers and the Kirven's department store."

The article actually says this man Vick was a local institution. It mentions Kirven's in an "along with" clause, but that is unclear, and leaves me no clue as to whether Vick owned Kirven's or was just next to it. No need to get snappy; everybody misreads from time to time. Xoloz 02:03, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

• sigh* either it says "he + the other two things collectively made up a local instition", or "he became a local institution, like the other two things", which seems the most likely interpretation. Kappa 02:06, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

While your reading is logical, I don't agree. Since the store is claimed to have been founded in 1979, I need more than an ambiguous single "along with" clause to confer "institutional" status. It is possible that the unclear reporter meant something more like an off-the-cuff reference: "Vick's jewelry store was an institution (remember Vicks?... it was next to Kirven's and that other place.)" Not having much faith in a reporter who uses imprecise language, I am unconvinced. Xoloz 02:38, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, it's a single shop with one fleeting reference in a local paper. Not notable. Wikipedia is not yell.com Proto||type 09:50, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per Proto. Petros471 11:47, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, this would just be a permastub unless someone can find more verifiable info on this store. Mangojuice 15:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

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