Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kirit Shelat

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 09:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kirit Shelat

Administrator with no claims to notability. Books mentioned in article are published by nn, probably vanity press. Article basically unchanged since July 2005. Hornplease 05:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - Unchanged article for a year is no ground for justifying deletion. His latest book, "Mapping development" reviewed in The Hindu, a respected newspaper. If a one-time MLA or a high court judge is notable for purposes of WP, Kirit Shelat, given his experience of over 40 years in administration as an IAS officer and in authoring books would be notable enough. Also, the info appears to be verifiable. --Gurubrahma 06:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Verifiability is not the issue, notability is. As I noted below, he is not an IAS officer, but a Gujarat service officer. WE cannot assume that the thousands of state administrative officers across India are notable simply for serving out their careers. That his book is reviewed in the Hindu is not as indicative as it could be, because the book page of the Hindu relies on submitted rather than commissioned reviews. THe review was written by a former teacher at an Ahmedabad college, and is one of only two reviews by him. The book itself is not on record as being possessed by any library in the WorldCat system - an theres no systemic bias here, thousands of locally published Indian books turn up in academic libraries across the world - and is not available for sale at any major Indian online bookstore. He simply does not meet notability criteria, and is not a senior enough government official to be encyclopaedic. Hornplease 05:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep as an author of multiple books and as a senior government official. There is no evidence that the publishers are vanity presses. One of his books was inaugurated by Gujarat's chief minister, which is a good celebrity endorsement. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 06:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

The publisher of his book on development is the same as the publisher of his book on Yug Purush Swami Maharaj - and doesnt seem to have any record on the web of having published anything else. He's not an IAS officer, but a Gujarat Administrative Service officer, which means he has to do something more than serve his tenure to be as notable as an HC judge. However, if he's Narendra Modi's advisor, which has been added without citation to the article in the last few minutes, then he may- repeat may- pass over some bar of notability, as Modi himself is so very very encyclopaedic. (Indeed, some months I seem to have done nothing on WP but discuss things Modi may or may not have done.) Hornplease 07:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions. Hornplease 06:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Could someone check whether there is a corresponding article in the Gujarati-language or Hindi-language Wikipedias, and add any relevant details from those articles to this one and vice versa? And please do the same for Narendra Modi. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 07:00, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I cannjot find articles in either WP, but perhaps I am spelling his name incorrectly there. Hornplease

• Keep per above. Sufficiently notable. Heimstern Läufer 07:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, subject is notable and meets WP:BIO criteria. Author of a few notable books meets the criteria. --Terence Ong _{(T | C)} 15:54, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

The books are not notable by most standards. A WorldCat search of libraries reveals no copies in participating institutions. THe fact that one was released by the CM of Gujarat does not in itself make the book notable, especially if the officer in question works in the CM's office. Hornplease 05:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per Truthbringer. Bakaman _Bakatalk 17:33, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per Terence Ong, this person meets WP:BIO criteria. RFerreira 06:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Do you have any reason to suppose that the books are notable? Hornplease 10:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep Only persons of Indian Administrative service can become Secretary, Energy Department. He may not have been a direct IAS recruit. He would have been conferred IAS Doctor Bruno 15:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the writer is mistaken. Secretaries of state-level departments do not have to be IAS. Hornplease 07:48, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

• Note - Hornplease seems to be Fundy-Watching this AfD.Bakaman _Bakatalk 17:12, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, hooray. Whatever that means. Hornplease 07:48, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

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