Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kings of East Francia / Germany

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The result was delete. Mailer Diablo 17:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kings of East Francia / Germany

The content is available in identical format with a better introduction, more context, and a more complete list at List of German monarchs. The title of this article is also a poor choice. Srnec 22:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I have also nominated Monarchic rulers of Germany, 1806 onwards for the same reasons as above (including the abhorrent title). Srnec 22:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect to List of German monarchs as both nominated articles are copies of parts of the larger article. MLA 08:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nomination (no redirect, as no one will look for this title). Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 20:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I, the creator of those pages, made them for various reasons but among them are the following.

A link to King of Germany should not link to the List of German monarchs, because it gives the someone innacurate impression that these persons were German, or even German momarchs the list also gives the false impression of the existence of some "German" superstate from 843 onwards. (The term "german" in it's modern meaning doesn't appear until the late 15th century)

When people click on a link of King of Germany they should not be linked to a page containing German emperors who in some cases lived and entire millenium after they did. No, instead they should be linked to the Kings of Germany, and just that. Note that I'm planning to expands the 2 pages I made, so that they become real articles, instead of semi-lists. Rex 09:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

CommentHi, at present there is no encylclopedic value in the two articles nominated by Srnec. If they are turned into redirects in their present form as I recommend, it is reasonable to turn those redirects into full articles when you are able to. I agree with you on King of Germany, note however that it wasn't nominated for deletion and could itself be turned into a full article. The information that is currently contained can always be re-pasted again if it is needed as it exists in the larger List of German monarchs article. Perhaps there would be scope for renaming the main article List of Germanic monarchs. MLA 10:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

No, I wouldn't rename the list of German monarchs to something with Germanic [...], the meaning of german and germanic are just too different, and the article would just explode.

But I agree with that proposition, they will temporarily be turned into redirects, until I have recreated those 2 articles in a way that they add more value to wikipedia.excellent.

Rex 10:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom; useless as redirects as nobody would search for these. Regarding Rex/Sander's point that it is (perhaps) unhelpful to conflate German rulers from all periods, the same could be said for many such lists. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.