Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kid Beyond (2nd nomination)

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The result was Keep. —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-02-25 04:34Z

[edit] Kid Beyond (2nd nomination)

Kid Beyond (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Non-notable "singer, beat boxer and live looper" (WP:MUSIC). Has released one CD on a non-major label (falls a bit short of "Has released two or more albums on a major label"). No published sources. Was deleted, apparently recreated, and then kept in a confused, multi-article nomination which had a lot of anons and new accounts. Savidan 03:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. Nonnotable singer, as the nominator showed. YechielMan 05:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete vanity and/or promotion. Wile E. Heresiarch 06:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Vanity. --Nlu (talk) 16:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. - Agree vanity. --Bryson 20:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. - I've added multiple published sources, and can certainly add plenty more if it would be helpful (didn't want to go overboard, though!). JavaTenor 01:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

If you have more reliable sources which don't copy each other, don't go overboard. Leap overboard with a plastic tuna under each arm, whilst dressed as a pirate and singing about rum. The crux of the matter is that these sources are very necessary to build an article since KB hasn't released albums from a major label. I'm personally satisfied with the ones already in, but you can't hurt the article or its chances of staying by establishing KB's notability. QuagmireDog 22:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

• Keep given the sources provided by JavaTenor, the subject is definitely noteworthy. RFerreira 06:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Quarl ^(talk) 11:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:MUSIC. One self-released (or micro-indie) EP and a youtube video with 15K views isn't enough. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per non-trivial SF Chronicle and Keyboard magazines about the individual (and other sources). There is multiple, reliable, non-trivial coverage, despite opinions about musical accomplishments (or lack thereof) to date. -- Black Falcon 18:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --MacRusgail 19:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep coverage by multiple articles is enough to establish notability.-- danntm ^T _C 19:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Notability established with the SF Chronicle and Keyboard links. Further to that, his IMDB page lists several credits as a voice actor, including Max in Sam & Max Season One, the sequel to Sam & Max that goodness knows how many gamers have been waiting for with clenched fists for years, and that Wii owners badgered Nintendo into trying to license the game for the system. He was also featured on Guitar Hero (in what capacity I intend to find out) and several karaoke games in a series (as a singer and as a backing singer). If verifiable, his voice acting and singing work in videogames deserves a section of its own. QuagmireDog 22:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

His involvement with Guitar Hero is listed as 'singer' according to the IMDB page, judging by the way the songs are labelled 'as made famous by' during Guitar Hero, I'm assuming KB and the other singers listed are the ones who actually cover the songs between them. Not a stellar endorsement, but on the other hand he's been employed as a singer in a game where music is the name of the game. Karaoke Revolution is the game series he's also creditted with singing on. QuagmireDog 23:10, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I've struck through ^ the videogame work, all the references I found lead back to the subject's own web page, even the stuff from Moby Games. Without reliable sources it's not relevant in the discussion and just muddies the waters. QuagmireDog 23:56, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

• Keep, has sufficient sources. --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

The San Fransisco Chronicle is just a human interest piece in his local newspaper and the keyboard thing is basically online only. Savidan 18:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Please provide evidence for your assertion that Keyboard Magazine is "basically online only", especially given that their website offers subscriptions.JavaTenor 01:34, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - Multiple published works on him. Even National Public Radio profiled him. We might might not like this person, but there is nothing about the multiple sources written about him that fall under the increasingly very strict WP:BIO's definitions of "trivial," i.e. a passing mention or directory listing. --Oakshade 02:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
• Already voted Keep above the relisting, so there may be no need to cast the vote again, but I've added a few more published sources.JavaTenor 20:34, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - obviously given NPR story. -MrFizyx 00:19, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.