Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khomeini's Islamic leadership

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The result was DELETE. POV fork.. Herostratus 06:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Khomeini's Islamic leadership

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POV fork of Ruhollah Khomeini. Khodavand 03:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Ruhollah Khomeini was becoming simply too long & un-manageable. Therefore, I split it.--Patchouli 03:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Its a blatant POV fork. Anyone can go through the history of the Khomeini article and see that this information was removed from the main article for a number of reasons: WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:NPOV. This article on "Khomeini's Islamic leadership" is essentially an attack page and violates WP:NPOV. Khodavand 03:54, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as POV fork -- an encyclopedic article on a person's leadership should not only note the negative. If possible, merge the encyclopedic content back into the main article (or simply revert to the pre-fork version taking into account any changes since then). Black Falcon 04:47, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

The article was created on Aug. 29, 2006, so the revert is not a practical option. Just merge whatever is relevant, NPOV, and sourced into Ruhollah Khomeini, then delete this new article. Black Falcon 04:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Many politicians have sub-articles.--Patchouli 05:29, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

• Merge and delete per Black Falcon. Whilst it's true that many polticians have sub-pages, as Khodavand demonstrated, there is a distinct POV motive in this particular fork. Chairman S. Talk ^Contribs 08:39, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
• Merge back to main --Euzebia Zuk 10:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
• Merge and delete per Khodavand.--Sa.vakilian 11:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

When I split the articles, I removed the stuff from the original article. Later, it was put back in Ruhollah Khomeini. Iran-editing Wikipedian and new accounts like User:Euzebia Zuk should not gather here to promote violations of Wikipedia:Article size. Please be reasonable.

Ruhollah Khomeini is already 51 kilobytes long. Based on Wikipedia:Article_size#A_rule_of_thumb, it should be split, not be longer. The fork is legitimate; of course, like all articles it embodies viewpoints with sources. If there is a specific error, then it should be pointed out on the article's talk page.--Patchouli 11:56, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

• Merge and Delete An article fork can/should be created to cover Khomeini's political career or time as leader of Iran, but the current article's scope is POV. Joshdboz 19:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete KazakhPol 21:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

User:KazakhPol has previously tried to make the article look like one without references by attacking it. There are a lot of arguments without arguments about the not liking the facts in the article--Patchouli 03:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletions. --   ⇒ bsnowball  07:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
• keep and merge keep the verifable and non-pov parts of the article and merge it back to the article until consensus for a split is achieved. make this a redirect. --Striver - talk 19:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete It's a POV fork. --Mardavich 16:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as a obvious POV fork and merge anything non-POV and reliable/verifable in this article to the main one. Khorshid 01:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
• Compromise: This article has a lot of POV, but it also contains a lot of important information. I would agree that it is a POV fork too. I propose merging this into the Grand Ayatollah Khomeini article, but under a new section called "Criticism". This article is almost entirely about negative aspects of Khomeini's Islamic leadership, and lacks the positive aspects of his leadership. If it was put in a Criticism section, as is the case with many biographical articles, it would show that these views are those of critics and are not universally accepted. I do not think this should be deleted or just merged into the Grand Ayatollah Khomeini article in manner that very little information is salvaged. Agha Nader 04:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader
• Delete for same reason as the other user who says this is an "attack" page. Criticism of the Khomeini ideology is legitimate, but stating his "views on non-Muslims" (if this is true) makes no sense unless these views had something to do with the state policy on non-Muslims. Later in the same section it says that Khomeini had no problems with Jews and Christians. It contradicts itself horribly. A better (and more legitimate) argument can be made for spreading hostility against Bahais. Khomeini, whatever we may think of him, is also viewed as a spiritual leader and holy man by a few million Shia Muslims in places like Iran and Lebanon, so I think his article should be careful in not going over the edge with condemnations. Malakaville 05:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Delete - Definitely an anti-Khomeini POV fork. Appears to be part of a disturbing pattern of POV articles and edits... The Behnam 05:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

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