Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karen (Pokémon)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Dude, the nominator said so. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 08:04, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Karen (Pokémon)

NOMINATION WITHDRAWN Concensus is clear to keep or merge, so I withdraw the nomination. --kingboyk 19:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC) Barely a stub. Not encyclopedic. Delete. kingboyk 15:43, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

• In light of the discussion so far, I'm happy to go with a merge. If somebody would do the merge and let me know, I'll withdraw the nomination. --kingboyk 04:13, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Compare with Lorelei (Pokémon), Bruno (Pokémon), Agatha (Pokémon), Lance (Pokémon), Will (Pokémon), Koga (Pokémon), Sidney (Pokémon), Phoebe (Pokémon), Glacia, Drake (Pokémon) and Steven Stone. All members of the Elite Four. Infact, until this article was created, Karen was the only member of the Elite Four without an article. They are clearly encylcopedic since all the other articles are well established. In addition, "Barely a stub" is criteria for expansion, not deletion. Therefore I believe this article should be kept, lest you plan to list all the other members of the Elite Four on AfD for not being encyclopedic. Deskana (talk) 17:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

• Personally, I think they should all go, but let's see how this one pans out first. Thanks for your input. --kingboyk 17:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

• Well, performing AfD on this article and seeing how it pans out is not a fair test on whether the other articles should go. You'd be removing them for being "Not enclyclopedic", where as this one has the "Barely a stub" criteria as well. If you wanted to see people's concensus on whether the other articles are enclyclopedic, I would have recommended you put one of them through AfD. (Please try not to take my comments as aggressive, from reading them I can see how they could be interpreted that way. I assure you, they are not) -- Deskana (talk) 17:49, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

• It's not a fair test and it wouldn't decide if they were deleted or not, that would be a matter for debate. The point is that if this one fails (as you say, it has an extra dimension of lame content) it would be pointless listing the others. Creating an AFD takes time as there are three pages to be edited, and debates to be monitored (I could perhaps have listed them all in one go, and didn't think of that :)). I don't think you're being aggressive. Anyway! I think we've each had our say, let's see what others think. --kingboyk 18:12, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

• I'll give you a quick preview of the results: none of them are going to be deleted, all of them are going to be merged (eventually). Merging them has been on the Pokémon Wikiproject's to-do list since it was founded, and progress is being made, if a bit slowly. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep and expand. Even if this RfA is valid, articles on subjects like this should be merged at the very least (see List of Johto Gym leaders for an example. Also see WP:FICT - specifically stating merge. AfD isn't the way forward. --Celestianpower ^háblame 18:18, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

• I did that, and someone reverted it, hence the AFD as an alternative. I still don't see why this character is important, however. See The Karen (Pokémon) Importance Test for how I found this article and why I have nominated it; it's being used as the very basis of 'non notability on Wikipedia' and as an argument for keeping other questionable articles ("Oh subject X is more notable than Karen"). --kingboyk 18:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

• Weak keep or merge ≡ expanded soon. Punkmorten 21:17, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and expand or merge, per Celestianpower. If we're serious about keeping the notability about the Elite Four members, then it'd be wise to merge the articles with the currently present Elite Four article or split them into Johto Elite Four, etc. --Anthony Jake La (Tetsuya-san; talk : contribs) 21:18, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong merge. I've long been in the process of merging stubs like this into lists (see List of Johto Gym Leaders for an example), but there are so many of them that it has been taking a while. 22:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per WP:FICT. Radiant_>|< 22:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep As mentioned, it's only a matter of time until it's expanded like the other Elite Four articles. Notability of character is not in doubt, has appeared on the TV show, video games, and card game (probably the manga too, though I'm not 100% sure) and is known to millions. A Google search for Karen +Pokemon brings some 400,000 results. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 22:55, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, but Merge until it has been expanded to beyond being a stub. Dr. B 06:18, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Major adversary in a major computer game. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:43, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.