Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Julian Rowe (artist)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 11:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Julian Rowe (artist)

Non notable artist, vanity page Equendil 13:04, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, this is not a vanity page as I am not Julian Rowe and am not submitting this entry at his request.

Secondly, what constitutes 'notable'? He may not be in the David Hockney league in terms of international recognition, but he's been exhibited many times, his work can be found in several public collections and he has received commissions from some significant public bodies. He qualifies as a fairly well known artist in England (in the same way as his Aussie Rules football namesake is presumably fairly well known in Australia, even if not elsewhere). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Adonisz (talk • contribs).

See WP:VAIN for what is usually labelled vanity on wikipedia (and yes, it may not qualify here) and WP:NN, WP:BIO about notability. Equendil 16:02, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - no proof of notability, user's only edits have been to Julian Rowe and this page Trebor 14:45, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - per Trebor. Will gladly change vote to keep if proof of notability is found.--Andeh 16:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Here again I would ask what constitutes 'proof of notability'?

For example, if we speak of the 'Impressionist' school most people will have heard of Renoir, Monet, etc. Yet there were many other impressionists who achieved local notability without gaining global recognition.

It sometimes looks like there were no impressionists other than the French (notwithstanding Sisley - his parents were British, but he was born and spent most of his life in France. Plus being sent to London as a young man 'to improve his English').

Still there were notable impressionists in many other countries (Canada, Nordic countries, Latin America to name just some regions). One renowed artist was Spain's Sorolla (there is a charming museum devoted to him in Madrid), yet how many people (apart from those who have taken the trouble to acquire a deeper knowledge of art history) have heard of him?

I return to the example of the other Julian Rowe whose entry appears in Wikipedia. Now this guy is not someone globally recognisable such as Michael Jordan, David Beckham or Martina Navratilova, but he's known enough in Australia as an Aussie Rules footballer to qualify.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Adonisz (talk • contribs).

• Comment The footballer is known to millions of people; there are a lot of football fans in Australia. I don't see that this artist can even be considered remotely comparable. Fan1967 17:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• Weak keep as work is apparently in galleries (weak due to no evidence of this). Xyrael ^T 16:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Rowe creates impressive art, but does not yet meet the Wiki standard for notability, "Painters, sculptors, architects, engineers, and other professionals whose work is widely recognized (for better or worse) and who are likely to become a part of the enduring historical record of that field." The acceptance of work into a gallery does not sufficiently meet the stated test in the Wiki guidelines. Checking 3 standard art resources -- Union List of Artist Names, Library of Congress Authorities, and Artnet -- yields no references to Rowe. Google searches also do not yield evidence of wide recognition. Based on the quality of his work, I'm confident that he will achieve notability, but Wiki is not a vehicle for this purpose. SteveHopson 21:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

DELETE. Unfortunately, I have to concede to the weight of evidence that Steve has accumulated. If Rowe hasn't gained recognition on the objective scales he refers to, then the article should be removed.

But thanks to everyone who voiced an opinion and I hope it will encourage you to follow the work of this artist - check out his website, it's very good. As Steve says, he may not yet make the Wikipedia, but he clearly has the talent to do so one day.

With best wishes to you all

• Delete — non-notable. Needs something like a six-figure sale; heralded by major art critics; dedicated show at a major art gallery, or notable award. — RJH (talk) 20:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

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