Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jovica Zelenbaba

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete all -- I suggest deletion review if anyone objects to a particular deletion, or if a consensus is developed to merge these. Luna Santin 23:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jovica Zelenbaba

nn junior league hockey player, fails the current WP:BIO guidelines, as this player plays in a junior league, which is not "fully professional". Also possibly violates WP is not a crystal ball. Tony fanta 23:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are also junior league hockey players for the Saginaw Spirit that do not meet the criteria of WP:BIO. I looked at their roster and only tagged the ones that have not been drafted by the NHL, (although some of the others may not be notable as well, I will not tag them for this discussion):

• Garrett Sinfield
• Christopher Breen (ice hockey player)
• Scott Fletcher (hockey player)
• Tommy Mannino
• Tom Craig
• Chris Chappell
• Jack Combs
• Zack Torquato
• Patrick Asselin (ice hockey player)
• Ryan Berard
• Ryan McDonough
• Andrew Clouthier
• T.J. Brodie
• Curtis Cooper (hockey)

• Delete all as per nom Bwithh 00:22, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all, minor league players without other assertions of notability. NawlinWiki 02:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
• Comment For whatever this is worth, the creator and main editor of the articles keeps removing the afd tags for all of them, and I have had to restore all the tags twice now. I also would hope someone can look at the rest of the roster that I have not put up for deletion, as other nn players could be there. Also look for the team Plymouth Whalers for similar cases. Tony fanta 02:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

The user/creator of articles, Kivpit, is not understanding about the afd process, he put an insult to me saying "I aughta delete your shit... see how you'd like it...". The user has tried to contact the Wikiproject for Ice Hockey, trying to stop the deletion of the articles for such reasons as "no one had a problem with them before" and "I worked really hard on these articles". That doesn't matter, it's either notable or it's not. And I have found numerous other nn junior/minor league players with some browsing, so more should go for deletion based on how this discussion goes. Tony fanta 02:57, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Delete all, sadly.Comment I do not know much about OHL players, but one thing I would suggest if you look up other articles for future AfDs that you see if any of these players have participated in an event like the World Junior Ice Hockey Championships, or were first round picks in the NHL Entry Draft. Those would be two such cases where I think a junior player would automatically qualify as notable. In the case of his removing the AfD notices, I am going to assume good faith and believe that is simply the result of his not understanding how the AfD proccess works, or notability criteria.

Also, since this user has put some work into these articles, and since players on major-junior rosters may have short term notability, especially in Canada, would there be an objection to having these articles merged into something like Saginaw Spirit roster? Resolute 06:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

• The more I think about it, the more I think I prefer a merge into a single article for a case like this. Resolute 06:12, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Good idea, but I can't put myself behind it. The roster on the team's page should be sufficient for such a listing, considering the notability involved here. I could have added more to this afd, but I just wanted those that did not appear to have been drafted by an NHL team for this point. If the user spent a lot of time on these articles, I am sorry, but that's not an excuse to hang on to these. It's either notable or it's not. Tony fanta 08:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete all per nom. I'm one of the Hockey Wikiproject regulars, and I don't care as it is for how loose WP:BIO is with respect to professional athletes. Nom's done a good job in excluding NHL draftees, who at least have a shot at notability. Those players who are left are scrubs who will never, ever play professionally and fail notability even at the major junior level. Furthermore, much as I empathize with the editor's work, we've AfDed far more intricate articles than these, because they fail consensus standards in one fashion or another. It's incumbent on new editors to learn what's acceptable and ask before editing. RGTraynor 06:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.