Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordan Capri

This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP. Thryduulf 13:11, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jordan Capri

How is this encyclopedia-worthy? There's plenty of porn directories on the net, Wikipedia doesn't need to be one. Also, listing her real name, residence, employer, and link to her blog seems like a great way to get this girl fired, harassed by stalkers or anti-porn zealots, etc. Her blog says she is unhappy with the extent of exposure she got. So she had a youthful lapse in judgement, one that she'll have following her for years. Wikipedia doesn't need to play a role in that. There's nothing of scholarly value in this page, and it seems unethical in the extreme to list some of this information in this context. -Murple

• Keep, but perhaps remove some of the personal information. She is one of the most widely recognized names in Internet pornography (she claims to have been "the second most popular softcore ameture gal on the internet"). She discusses her nude modelling on her blog -- it's not like it's a secret. Pburka 02:11, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• AfD tag added yesterday but never listed, so I've listed it here.

Strong Keep - I'm pretty critical of notability, but Jordan Capri was at one time, and may still be for all I know, one of the most popular softcore models on the internet. Any judgement of her notoriety aside, that still is a pretty strong case for notability. As for is this encyclopedia worthy, I'd say yes in the context of Wikipedia. Look around... there are articles on Jenna Jameson, Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and GG Allin. This isn't the Britannica. As for the content of the article, Ms. real name has stated all these things in her blog. It's not like she is trying to hide the information or her identity. If this article posted her home address, phone number, or some other personal information that she herself had not posted on her public blog, I'd agree with you, but in light of the facts, there is no reason to delete this other than a distaste for the subject matter, which in my opinion is not merit enough for deletion.--Isotope23 02:13, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

• Keep and cleanup. Remove everything unverifiable (i.e. nearly everything personal). Also see previous VFD: Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Jordan_Capri. Dragons flight 02:26, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and cleanup. Sorry, Murple. You may not approve of these types of entries, but the precedent has already been set, and Jordan Capri certainly passes the bar for notability. 23skidoo 04:10, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and cleanup: You might also want to wash after doing so. I don't like these kinds of articles, and I'd just as soon they all were deleted. But like 23skidoo says, the precedent is there, and there are plenty of others like it. — Cory Maylett 05:10, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete pr0ncruft. Another undistinguished, interchangeable product of the sex industry. Wile E. Heresiarch 05:13, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per above. --Vsion 06:05, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep given that she is notable, I don't see how Wikipedia can really distinguish what ought to be censored on the basis of some people's moral objections. Avalon 06:17, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, notable porn performer of the Internet era. And performer bios like these typically feature birth date, birth name, and "what he/she is doing now", so I don't see the need to redact that information (but this is not the place for that argument). -- MCB 06:32, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable enough for me. --Apyule 06:35, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete I am real name Jordan Capri. I have been having issues recently with "fans" coming into my work. Just this past Monday someone came in asking for my autograph & said he found me on THIS site. First of all, on my MySpace page, I never gave my last name away nor the engraving shop's name, because I did not want people to find out my real name. This is a serious issue; I could have potential salkers, rapists, ect. now!! What if some crazed fan comes in, waits for me to leave late at night, then follows me home!? Since I found this thing I've been scared to death! Please delete it for the sake of my safety not to mention potentionally being fired from my jobs from the flood of phone calls/visits I've been receiving there. I'm begging you, please take this down. In all sincerely real name 10:04, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
  • This is real name's first edit on Wikipedia, and I seriously doubt its authenticity. --Apyule 13:22, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, real name may be genuine. --Apyule 06:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

• • Delete Also, I'll vouch for her authenticity, since I wrote her to tell her about this article and the fact that it had personal information such as her place of employment etc, and suggested she come and speak for herself. User:Murple
• Keep. Notable model, solely responsible for her own career choices, with the same editing privileges as everybody else. TheMadBaron 10:34, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Sorry Ms real name (assuming it is you), but you are/were notable and therefore we need to have a page on you, including your real name if we know it as this is a basic piece of information about someone (and is not a personal detail). -- Last Malthusian 10:53, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• I've deleted the personal information and think that it should be removed permanently from the article's history (is this possible?). Wikipedia is not the stalker/rapist's friend. That said, the article itself should be kept, for notability reasons listed above. Vizjim 11:27, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Only possible if someone keeps on top of the article, or it is locked from editing. I suspect this might turn into a fight over contenting, but I for one support your edits Vizjim.--Isotope23 18:25, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

The problem many will not. I did a random sampling from the porn stars category and plenty have the real names. The thing is the Internet is a stalker/rapists friend; to be a public figure in this information age is to fight a losing battle for privacy. I did a basic search on Google for "Jordan Capri" and her real name and came up empty for the first fifty pages, which impressed me. We can try to do our part. - RoyBoy ⁸⁰⁰ 19:24, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Is it possible to scrub out her real name and personal info from the change history and from this AfD? If it is feasible then this might not be a bad idea. I'm not a big fan of censorship, but I can also see the point of view where she would not want her personal info splashed all over wikipedia. Of course with a page history the damage has already been done unless someone can scrub it out... The article itself should be kept as it has value in the context of other articles pertaining to the same subject matter, but in the interest of simple decency it might be a good idea to remove all reference to her real name, employment and the link to her blog from the history. Of course the article would almost have to be locked to prevent someone else from coming here and posting the info back on, but since she is apparently out of the industry, what more is there to say? nevermind... just looked at the article and it is possible.--Isotope23 14:15, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

• • I vote strongly for deleting this article and similar ones... but if it must be kept, how's this for a compromise. Delete the article so the history disappears and the girl doesn't have to live in fear of some Wikipedia stalker tracking her down, and create a new one that only has the "relevant" information and not her personal information. It seems to me that if anything bad happened to this girl as a result of her info being listed here, Wikipedia would be potentially legally liable. As far as the excuse "well its in her blog"... her blog isn't being advertised with her Jordan Capri name, so it's not making the link between her identities that this Wikipedia entry did.
• Keep per previous VfD, with personal info removed per Vizjim. Her real name does not need to be part of this article, and was not related to her modeling notability. If it were up to me, her real name would not appear in this AfD, even though she's apparently used it on a blog and in responding to its use here. Barno 14:30, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Notabilitry os not related to morals ≈ jossi ≈ 17:28, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• <strikethrough>Delete - Porncruft. Not notable enough, and the agendas of some editors to endanger her life and wellbeing are deplorable.</strikethrough> --Golbez 18:30, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Editors have that agenda? Strong accusation. - RoyBoy ⁸⁰⁰ 19:03, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Why yes, yes it is. Changing vote to keep provisional on their edits remaining deleted. WP:SCHOOL, WP:MUSIC; WP:PORN? --Golbez 19:13, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

• Keep it, though personal info should be dropped. However, I respectfully submit that it isn't your name (real or stage), but your face (and certain other parts) that gets you noticed by autograph seekers (and stalkers)... -- Grev -- Talk 19:12, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

  The information has been removed by administrators. --Golbez 19:13, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

• Keep now the sensitive issue is gone. Alf ^melmac 19:42, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

• Keep This is the "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". Yes, there's a lot of stupid articles, but we can't censorship anything. Knowledge is free,knowledge is global. Maybe we're sharing a little too much info, but that's the thing: info is for everyone ! Respect her privacy but also respect the free knowledge in wish Wikipedia is based on. We must keep Jordan's article. AT most, don't show her real name: she has a reason for hiding it.
• Keep since her personal information has been removed and taken out of the history for both the talk and project page. -Parallel or Together? 11:05, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep the article, but remove all references to Jordan Capri's real name and her address. A delete/selective-undelete trick might be needed to remove those references from the history too. — JIP | Talk 11:26, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. The article does not assert notability in any way, other than listing her job. Having a job is not (yet) notable enough for inclusion in an encyclopedia. Nandesuka 12:57, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete There is no reason why Wikipedia shouldn't have a sense of decency. It is supposed to be educational, not a free publicity channel for porn merchants. This article is of no use to anyone. CalJW 18:23, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. There are lots of naked people on the Internet, and I think that's a good thing. But there is nothing in the article that illustrates why this particular naked person is notable and encyclopedic. Gamaliel 20:10, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep notable.  Grue  10:49, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, she's very well known ··gracefool |☺ 18:51, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
• Strong Keep - I'm pretty critical of notability, but Jordan Capri was at one time, and may still be for all I know, one of the most popular softcore models on the internet. Exactly! and she's was crowned the 'queen of cute' how can that not be notable. also her pictures are still floating around the internet net as of today, and there's even less known "porn people" on wiki so leave it for informational purposes, but take out the personal information for her sake! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.132.125.101 (talk • contribs) 19:32, 28 September 2005.

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