Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jean-Claude Irvoas

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. — JIP | Talk 09:33, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jean-Claude Irvoas

Individual is not notable; Wikipedia is not a memorial Dhartung | Talk 08:32, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. Through tragic, Wikipedia:Notability seems to apply, and Wikipedia is not a memorial - Dhartung | Talk 08:32, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep or Merge. The individual has been the first victim of 2005 Paris suburb riots and as such, it has some historical notability. I can happily agree about merging it with the main article on riots. --Cyclopia 10:17, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. Historic event. First casualty of the riots, this article may have significant historical significance and implications. Keep, it will most likely be expanded with more information as that information is gained. --michaelg
• Delete or Merge to 2005 Paris suburb riots. Media coverage should not automatically grant a subject notability beyond the associated event. Dottore So 12:03, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. It is grossly biased to keep this here when casualties of police assaults aren't given the same attention. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.211.168.10 (talk • contribs) 2005-11-07 14:50:46 (UTC).
  • This vote has no signature, so it can't be valid. However the reasons behind it would be right, if only there are news of casualties due to police assaults, but I can't find any info about it. --Cyclopia 15:31, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
    • This is not true. Read the guidelines: "Unregistered and new users are welcome to contribute to the discussion". In other words, you don't need an account to vote here (but it helps). — Haeleth Talk
• MERGE it makes no sense to keep this as a separate stub, the information is scant, and is currently only appropriate for the larger entry on the riots. the person who supported deletion because "police casualties aren't given the same attention" is obviously an idiot. in fact, casualties of POLICE are the ONLY statistics that are compiled and reported. there's no information (or "attention") available anywhere for casualties of rioters or innocent bystanders. that's just a fact. secondly, the charge of "bias" makes absolutely no sense considering that the man was killed by muggers or rioters. this person is obviously a knee-jerk reactionary who has trouble sleeping at night when the misfortunes of AUTHORITY figures aren't loudly trumpeted, during any mention whatsoever of anybody's suffering, for everyone to grieve over. 128.119.132.42 16:14, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Can we avoid flaming, please? And remember only people with a WP account can vote, AFAIK? --Cyclopia 21:59, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
    • Not true that an account is needed: see above. — Haeleth Talk
      • Ouch! Sorry. I remember times in which things were different, and I didn't have read the policy,recently (I don't agree with non-logged users voting btw, but that's way OT now). --Cyclopia 00:18, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
• *Keep or Merge. as per --CyclopiaFRS 22:25, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge per Cyclopia. — Haeleth Talk 23:15, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. We have an article on Crispus Attucks, which seems to set the precedent. - Dalbury (talk) 00:58, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Wikipedia is not a memorial. This person is otherwise non-notable. Denni☯ 06:34, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge. Was mentioned yesterday by Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin during his national television address Here is the reference. Hektor 21:36, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. Sometimes just being a victim is enough to make you notable. I point again to Crispus Attucks. - Dalbury (talk) 22:29, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
    • "Martin Luther King, Jr. referred to Crispus Attucks in the introduction of Why We Can't Wait as a specific example of a man whose contribution to history has been overlooked by standard histories." I doubt Irvoas will ever have someone as noteworthy as King to call his name before his peers. Denni☯ 04:56, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.