Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James L. Clark

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. W.marsh 14:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] James L. Clark

This page should be deleted because it is almost entirely self-referential and derivative of sources created by the subject. The subject also does not merit an independent entry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ArkansasRed (talk • contribs) 21:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 13:17, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete unsourced article, Google brings up 130 hits for "James Clark" "Wading in the Crap" which is supposed to be his best-selling work. [1] Kavadi carrier 13:59, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep sourced article, Google brings up 23,500 hits for "James L. Clark" "Wading THROUGH The Crap" which appears to be a best-selling work given by the numbers. [2] Further, it looks like he comes up over 4,400,000 times as the editor/author of other books including The Man Who Knew Too Much, Preemptive War, and others on both Barnes, Amazon, Albris, and so on [3] At what number would this person pass a given litmus?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.97.16.44 (talk • contribs).
  • You link to a search that searches for all words in no given order. If you really did search for "James L. Clark" "Wading Through The Crap" (including the 2 sets of quotes), it only shows 73 hits, a astonishing 24 of which are unique. [4] As expected, none of them are to independent reliable sources. Kavadi carrier 16:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Let's round up the sad statistics for his other "best-selling" works: "James L. Clark" "Becoming a Man of Influence" = 4(!) hits [5], "James L. Clark" "Preemptive War" = 13 hits. [6] Kavadi carrier 16:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete the 'Wading through the Crap' book has an Amazon sales rank of 1,296,458. How is this a best seller? Was it a best seller at a former time. and how would that be accessed? Where is the independent mainstream press coverage which might help to establish notability?Edison 03:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Edison, per Kavadi Carrier. Montco 06:34, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
• Not sure yet, doing more research; you may all be right. Looks like the book came out back in 2003. There are a lot of ways a book can be a best seller, or so it would appear based on what I read. Sometimes it is based on numbers, but that is not always the case; it often based on category. I don't want to be so quick to rush to judgement just to delete this, but, like I said, you may be right. I added the quotes for the names and found it pulled over 14,000 on his name. I went through about 200 before I got tired of it and most looked to be this guy. Honestly, I am not sure what test works for an author and what does not. But it also seems there is more to the guy than this. I am not sure I would be so quick to remark that the lack of coverage online as "astonishing." I consider it remarkable that he (or anyone) has writen a book in the first place; I have never done so, have you? It is easy for us to debate this on Wikipedia, and who knows, he may not even want it here. Went to his site but saw no way to contact him. But also, people these days seem way to fast to want to get rid of pages and the tone concerns me. Has anyone else checked, because I do not see it the same way as Kavadi carrier who seems heck bent on getting rid of this entry and, at that, using "verifiable" when even that standard is in dispute right now - just my two cents. I just don't want this to be a vote of heads but a well reasoned process. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.97.16.44 (talk • contribs).
• I find it ironic that the above editor added the following comment to the article, which I happen to agree with: "This guy is a nobody! It should be deleted". Although it may be the subject's best seller, a book which ranks in the 1.3millionsths is to be dismissed instantly as irrelevant. "A Preemptive War" also ranks in the 1.33 millionsths, "Becoming a Man of Influence" is not available from B&N nor Amazon. The subject must not be confused with a namesake who writes "How to" books; ditto author Jamie L. Clark. BTW, the author of the article and the person above identifiable only by IP:68.97.16.44 can be traced back to the same service provider, Cox Atlanta. Ohconfucius 05:49, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

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