Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack Yan

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 23:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jack_Yan

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Vanity page, not noteable, not written in a neutral point of view, references minor and rubbish, content is nonsense Randomkiwi 02:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. Seems notable enough. POV seems pretty much neutral, and NPOV is not criteria for deletion, but more for rewriting. Kntrabssi 02:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. I don't agree that POV is neutral, and suggest a clear COI between the original article author and the subject. Article claims subject had a "distinguished academic history" at primary and secondary schools--no reference to distinction. Acquisition of two university degrees does not constitute distinction.

Article claims subject is a "distant relative" of other notable people, with no references. Claims he has an interest in politics, but no evidence of any notability in this area, other than a planned speech to a minor party not represented in Parliament. Books listed include a book he may be a contributor to, but I can't find any evidence of this. References cited are not independent, reliable sources, or mainly appear to mention him only in passing. His IMDB profile lists a few appearances on New Zealand television. Google hits do come up with a large response, but almost entirely are from his own publishing company and mirrors. Randomkiwi 04:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

• Cleanup and remove claims not supported by sources. /Blaxthos 09:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Article has several sources and seems relatively notabe. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 08:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
• Cleanup and keep. I had been editing the page and removing POV, and perhaps my efforts have not been comprehensive enough. Naturally, I am happy to be guided by fellow editors as suggested at Wikipedia: I'm happy to modify anything that can't be independently verified. I will begin cleanup now based on points raised.

Answering Randomkiwi's points: the "distant relative" claim is in a source but I cannot enter the foreign characters (Chinese). Maybe a Chinese editor can assist if I scanned the book. All the books that he wrote are in the National Library of New Zealand's records, other than the one published in the UK. (You may know that New Zealand publishers are not as good at getting titles on to Amazon and are, consequently, less visible. I do not think this to be a reason to limit New Zealanders' titles.) His work on the British book can be easily found at Amazon UK. On your point about politics, you failed to mention that he had founded a now-defunct political party, which is listed in Wikipedia.

If Googling, I suggest doing -site commands on his own sites: I still managed 109,000 references, but I could not locate mirrors. Next to Raybon Kan, he is probably the most visible male Chinese New Zealander in the country.

Of the footnoted references, he wrote two. I have removed the references where Jack Yan was cited as the author. I disagree that the other references (CNN, The Daily Telegraph) are minor and he would not have been approached if he were not notable. Some other sources have since been added, but I disagree that the ones that were there were unreliable.

I believe the subject is one of the better known brand strategists in New Zealand, was the first digital typeface designer in New Zealand (easily more notable than some in that profession who are in Wikipedia: if he is removed, then quite a few others would have to as well). I trust the above answers your concerns.—Stombs 11:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. Cleaned up page features sources from notable media

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.