Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ivy League business schools

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. bainer (talk) 08:23, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ivy League business schools

Delete. Irrelevant article, only ~500 Google hits on the phrase "Ivy League business schools" (see: [1]). This article appears to be created just to boost the impression of less prominent b-schools by association. Comment: Article creator seems to be interested in advancing an agenda that Ivy League business schools are superior to others. The intention of this article is clearly to advance his POV. MBAguy 10:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Danny Lilithborne 02:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Royboycrashfan 02:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep. All of the articles included are, in fact, Ivy League business schools. Unlike "Public Ivies," "Jesuit Ivies" or other bogus prestige-by-association faux "Ivies," these are business schools that are part of the eight Ivy League institutions. The real question is whether this article has any added value over the existing Ivy League, business school, and individual Ivy league and Ivy League biz school articles. I think it does have a little, since business schools tend to be compared against their peer business schools rather than the institutions as a whole. This article has some potential. NTK 02:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I went to Dartmouth, and even I think this smacks of elitism and boosterism. The schools have their own articles, so there's no need for this list. Brian G. Crawford 02:41, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• keep with NTK. The question to be considered, I think, is whether someone might find it useful to have one entry to serve as a hub to the individual schools. If it might be useful, then let's keep it. Bucketsofg 03:08, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above. Metamagician3000 04:30, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Week Keep as per Brian G. Crawford. Seano1 04:34, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep since the 6 schools have their own articles -- Astrokey44|talk 05:57, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Move Move to Category:Ivy League business schools neh? ⇒ SWATJester ^Ready Aim _Fire! 06:26, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. A poorly research deletion nomination of a factual article. For great justice. 06:59, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

• I'm not denying that the article is "factual". The reason for deleting this article is that the topic itself is arbitrary and meaningless, as evidenced by the lack of Google hits. In the world of business schools, affiliation with the Ivy League is devoid of any significance. This list is as interesting and useful as "Ivy League engineering programs" or "Western US Medical Schools" (neither of which exist as articles, of course). MBAguy 08:52, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

• These schools, however, are not simply affiliated with the Ivy League but actually part of them. Wharton in particular is the central and defining school of UPenn, and all of the otehrs are influential within their respective universities. —Cuiviénen, Monday, 10 April 2006 @ 12:04 (UTC)

[Off topic] I recently spent more time than I should have trying to trace the provenance of "Penn" and "UPenn"—someone simply kept deleting "UPenn" it from the University of Pennsylvania article on the grounds that it was "incorrect." It is so widely used that to call it "incorrect" seems... incorrect. But apparently for the past five years or so the University of Pennsylvania has been very assiduously pursuing a conscious branding strategy in which all nooks and crannies of the University are urged to use the proper logo, etc. and Penn is the official abbreviation. So... if you want to be in tune with what "defines" the University, you probably should get with the program. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:02, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

As a Penngineer I dislike the imperialist Wharton attitude that they "define" the University. It is an extremely prestigious business school at an extremely prestigious university. They certainly are not central to Penn's world-class medical school, multiple Nobel-winning chemistry department, or top-notch psychology department, to name a few divisions of the school that are at the very top of their game. But otherwise, agreed. NTK 01:44, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep out of jealousy that will come from staring at the list. T K E 07:13, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep certainly create Category:Ivy League business schools but keep this as lists and categories perform different functions Jcuk 08:41, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Jcuk Computerjoe's talk 09:19, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per NTK and others. —Cuiviénen, Monday, 10 April 2006 @ 12:04 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Deleuze 21:07, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Individual articles on these would be perfectly fine. This collective pile is absolutely pointless, as there is no substantive connection between them. Makes no more sense than an ACC Medical Schools article would. Derex 22:16, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. I fail to see a link that is not served by the category. -Dawson 23:25, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and replace with a "List of Ivy League business schools" or some such list, which might be helpful for navigation or browsing. Outside of the list, the actual content on the page is not worth keeping though. RayaruB 23:55, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I dislike it. But I don't see any sufficient reason for deleting it. It's verifiable. By defining it as "Ivy League" you at least have some stable, objective criterion for what schools should be included. The dates of founding are mildly interesting to see together, as opposed to picking them out of the individual school articles. It's mildly interesting to note that two of the Ivy League members don't have business schools. It would be much, much more interesting to have an article on the history of business schools in general, and it would be interesting to have capsule summaries of the different characters and approaches of business schools. I thank whatever gods may be that this article at least does not include any rankings. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, seems to add a little more information (at least some trivia) than a category would, or does. Could be expanded a little more, but I'm not seeing a real solid reason for deletion. Kuru ^talk 00:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• keep tag for improvement Merecat 06:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Utterly arbitrary (and unused in the real world) grouping. Seriously, biz schools aren't grouped this way by companies hiring MBAs or by applicants to the schools. --Calton | Talk 05:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  • I do worry about the possibility of articles on "Ivy League theology schools," "Ivy League cafeterias," "Ivy League sexual customs," etc. etc. Dpbsmith (talk) 10:08, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. utcursch | talk 03:51, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as a valuable list/article hybrid. Google isn't everything. Silensor 02:58, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The Ivy League business schools are the originators of such concepts as "business school," "business degree," and "MBA," as the article mentions. This may be a useful hub for info on those schools. There's a concern with the responses from MBAGuy who nominated this article for deletion. In his response to one voter, he said the "... Ivy League is devoid of any significance." That seems a bit much. He also said this factual article is "boosterism" for the schools - he didn't demonstrate that. After he nominated this article for deletion, he then edited the article several times to try to make the same negative points in the article that he makes in his vote and vote response. Why? One voter, Dpbsmith, was optimistic about this article since it isn't littered with current rankings. Unfortunately, MBAGuy then dumped rankings into the article. Why? Of the many available rankings, he seemed to pick the only magazine ranking that might support his negative cause. What's up with that? That negative approach doesn't seem to be in keeping with the Wikipedia spirit. If this article is not deleted, then it would definitely help to back out the stuff that MBAGuy added to the article AFTER he nominated it for deletion. GO WHARTON 02:27, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.