Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Islamic Flag

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Speedy Keep nom withdrawn Eluchil404 01:42, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islamic Flag

I found this as a speedy delete and changed it into a redirect to Flag. That was reverted so I tried a Prod but that was removed. I don't think there is a need for an Islamic flag article that is seperate from Flag. This material right now is original research, has no references and and seems a bit POV. Also a lot of the information does not seem to have anything to do with Islamic flag. Delete or if someone thinks that any of the material is salvageable then merge into flag. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 13:22, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

• • Based on the edits and remarks by both Grutness and the original author, Schowdhury (Sadullah), I am withdrawing the nomination and changing to Keep. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 04:35, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
• Merge into flag and Delete The content in this article is similar to that of flag. Furthermore we should not seperate flags by religion. SomeStranger^(t|c) 13:53, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Change to Keep. The page has improved immensely, which has made me reconsider.--SomeStranger^(t|c) 12:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
• Merge any material that can be established is not OR into flag and delete, per SomeStranger & nom.--blue520 14:03, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - This is a perfectly notable and valid subject. The article just needs to be improved. And if you merge it, merge it with Islamic symbols. Afonso Silva 14:04, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep this page as this subject will grow quickly. I am the author of this page "islamic flag". I am new to wiki and this is my first project. There are lot of information such as islamic rules and regulation in relation flags they will come in near future. I don't think merging will be good idea as it is specific project and unique project will serve people who intersted in the evolution of Islamic flag. there isn't much information available in wiki. I am more then will to share your ideas in relation to this project. This is by no means of just a flag article. this not an article seperate religion by flag rather it focusing no the how islamic flag began and what is its status at present. it will improve in time.

--Sadullah 15:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

• Weak merge or delete. The discussion of Islamic flag rules is interesting, but without citations, it comes across as original research. The tone of the article is not encyclopedic. If it's going to be kept, it needs an immediate cleanup and wikifying effort, since any religion-based article that appears to violate Wikipedia standards will inevitably generate a lot of controversy and divisiveness. Kickaha Ota 15:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
  • After reading the recent edits made to the article, I would say Weak keep instead. The page still needs a great deal of additional sourcing, and the tone of the article still needs work; but the improvements thus far show enough potential to justify encouraging the editors to proceed further. Kickaha Ota 00:22, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
• Withdraw My suggestion is to withdraw the nomination & let the author know that you will give it a couple of weeks to include some sources. I cannot judge if the topic can be saved, but a new editor should be given some leeway to work on it. I also don't see this as a case of vanity or an obvious attack article. It may be somewhat controversial, but even so, it seems to be a good-faith attempt to improve Wikipedia. I believe we can let it mature a little. As for POV, that will have to be worked out if it can be cleaned up with some sources. To the original editor, regardless of what happens, try to gather some sources (in English) that support the topic.Ted 16:05, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

keep the page.Comment: The author. your inputs are appreciated. I need some time to work on it. I just joined "wiki" 2 days ago. testing my article writing and just geeting to know wiki. If you read this article you will find that it is unbiased. I will try put islamic flag information unbiased manner. Your input into the article will be ver much appreciated. It will certainly get better.

This article will not be citation in any way. I am keeping close eye to make sure of that. On the other hand some subject matter may be controversial where carefull choice of word will be considered.

I would like you all check the article as often as you can so, you may advise me.

Ted thanks for your advice

--Sadullah 16:25, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

NOTE: Duplicate "vote" by creator of article changed into comment.--SomeStranger^(t|c) 21:45, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

• Extend or Merge into Islamic symbols Maix84 16:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

keepComment: in response to Maix. First of all there are no symbols in Islam. However, A symbol may be adopted if there is need but the symbol should be the most simplest form. example a single colour flag meets the need to have unique flag. There are other rules which govern what can be incorporated in a flag. symbols that identify muslim nation doesn't constitute an Islamic act. People need know these issues for better understanding. Deleting an article which written in good faith will deny the opportunity for people find out the truth. I believe the truth should be available for people make choice.

--Sadullah 16:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

NOTE: Duplicate "vote" by creator of article changed into comment.--SomeStranger^(t|c) 21:45, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep or Extend. This article taught me (and my family) quite a bit, and I think the subject is valid. I think with enough material it could easily stand on its own. If not, possibly merge to Islamic symbols. Xiliquiern 20:07, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

• HI the author again, I have included more stuff in 24 hours but still doing my research. More stuff is comming soon, you comments and suggestions are welcome.

--Sadullah 22:30, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Seems an interesting topic to me and the author is actively working to improve it. Capitalistroadster 23:04, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, though it needs a massive cleanup. I've added a section on the pan-Arab colours (how could an article on Islamic flags not deal with that topic?). There's quite a bit that's dodgy in there, though - talking about the difference betwen "Muslim flags" and "Islamic flags", which reeksa of OR. And the title should be "Islamic flags" or "Flags of Islamic nations", not "Islamic Flag" - theer is no one "Islamic Flag". Grutness...wha? 23:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

• This page will be renamed to "Islamic Flags" as suggested by Grutness and I agree. Renaming will take place on 21/06/06 as my account is not old enough to move.

Sadullah (Talk) 12:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

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