Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Islam Unveiled

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 20:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Islam Unveiled

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Not notable enough to have a page. There are thousands of thousands books. A book must be very very notable to have a page(e.g. Bible, Quran, Dante's divine comedy etc etc). I don't expect to find this book while searching in Encyclopedia Britannica for example. Aside from this, the scholarship of the author is also believed to be fundamentally flawed by university professors like Carl Ernst, please see [1].Furthermore, if there is any controversy, it should be addressed in "Criticism of X" articles.--Aminz 12:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. Spencer's views are controversial and not taken seriously by scholars to the best of my knowledge; he also runs a website that contains material that's arguably Islamophobic, as well as legitimate material. Most importantly, he isn't notable enough to have so many pages devoted to his views; the descriptions of his books can be added to his biography. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 13:28, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. The book has received more than enough media attention to be notable. One example is this article about the book in National Review -- Karl Meier 13:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. The book is quite notable as one of the books by Robert Spencer--CltFn 13:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep again As Karl points out, the book has spawned reviews and media attention. Kyaa the Catlord 15:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Author is notable thus is the book. F.F.McGurk 15:51, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
• Weak delete No, McGurk, the author being notable absolutely does not make all his books notable, per our policy on notability. The reviews cited in the article lack full info as to what publication they appeared in, so they smack of courtesy back cover blurbs authors give one another. They need to be cited to reliable independent verifiable publications to count towards notability. The Amazon sales rank of about #35,000 is not very compelling. But I wish editors would stop telling us to delete it because they do not like the author's ideology. This is not "ILIKEITpedia." And the nominator should realize that Wikipedia is not Britannica, and we let in books thousands of times less notable than the few he cites as acceptable, as does Britannica. Edison 16:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. This is a bad-faith nomination that does not cite policy in its deletion reasoning. There is no precedent "very very notable" in the Wikipedia:Notability (books) proposed guideline or anywhere else (and by analogy, we should have almost no articles on television episodes or music albums if that were the case). The argument by analogy with Britannica is also outside of policy, as Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia. The argument against the author's "scholarship" is a content dispute and does not belong at AFD. If the author believes a merge is warranted, use appropriate templates for that proposal.--Dhartung | Talk 18:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - as clearly notable book by a NY Times Bestseller; is the nominator trying to make a WP:POINT by this and similar nominations? Tarinth 19:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, book published by a non-vanity press. --badlydrawnjeff talk 01:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletions. -- SkierRMH 02:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Per above--Sefringle 05:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Per Dhartung and others. Bad faith nom. Can User:Aminz be blocked from filing AfDs? Arrow740 06:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - The fact that the book is thououghly debunked makes it no less notable. After all, We have an entry for The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and these books are about the same as far as accuracy and honesty goes. --John Kenneth Fisher 07:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
• Strong keep, per Arrow740. John Vandenberg 08:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, per Aminz.Bless sins 13:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Mentioned by PBS[2] and I believe was reviewed by Publisher's Weekly.--T. Anthony 19:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Spencer has had several books high on the NYT bestseller list recently, and he doesn't write all that many books. A discussion of whether his scholarship is "fundamentally flawed" or not is utterly irrelevant to an AfD. - Merzbow 00:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
• comment There are probably over ten thousand articles about books in WP. The guidelines do not say that only the most exceeding universally known go in. They just say notable. Furthermore, the comment that this book is controversial is not a reason to keep it out, it is a reason to keep it in. If there is such criticism, it would demonstrate notability. But I will still continue to assume your good faith in making these nominations, even though it is beginning tolook like a campaign against the author. DGG 02:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
• Strong keep. Book by bestselling author, whose bestsellers have also been nominated. Nomination and delete votes appear to be motivated purely by POV. Andrewa 05:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Wikipedia policy on books is not that restricted. Being controversial (Hitler's War), racist (Mein Kampf), or discredited (The Destruction of Dresden) are not grounds for deletion. Edward321 05:51, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep But notable criticism of the book has to be there for the sake of WP:NPOV, even if it is from partisan scholars. Of course, one must distinguish between criticism of Spencer and criticism of this specific book, with only the latter allowed in this article.Rumpelstiltskin223 10:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep--D-Boy 16:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per T and Rumpel.Bakaman 21:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

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