Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Into The Black

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Into The Black

Internet television show with 1 episode in production, others in pre-production. It hasn't generated any independent coverage, so it fails under WP:V, WP:N, and it seems to be a little bit of crystal balling. This Google search and this Yahoo! search bring up no independent sources. --Wafulz 23:40, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Nickieee 23:48, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete due to lack of reliable sources indicating importance. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --Kinu ^t/_c 00:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
• comment So sorry guys, I forgot the sources. I do have sources. Wired Magazine, is a good example. I'm trying to dig up the links, but I've been having a busy day and Wired's search engine isn't agreeing with me.. Joss Whedon has also commented on it on his own site, Whedonesque. Give me some extra time here and I'll get my sources together. A CBC Radio interview/segment with an exclusive scene from the show in audio format has been produced and is just waiting to air. Several Vancouver papers have also picked up the story, although how I'll find them is a mystery. More to come. Zeekthegeek

• Wired Magazine. Into the Black is mentioned on page 2: http://wired.com/news/technology/0,71084-0.html?tw=wn_index_1
• Episode 7 of Firefly podcast "The signal" mentions the project.

http://signal.serenityfirefly.com/

• Mentioned at DVD Blog Pan & Scan:

http://www.panandscan.com/news/show/Joss_Whedon/Serenity/O_Captain,_My_Captain:_Firefly_Fans_Pick-Up_Where_Serenity_Left_Off/654

• Joss Whedon megasite 'Whedonesque' have a handul of search results dealing specifically with the show. Most notable are Mr Whedon's own comments about the show, here http://whedonesque.com/comments/9657#112367

http://whedonesque.com/?search=Into+the+Black

Assistance? I'm not the greatest at this wikipedia thing, but could I have assistance in applying the sources to the article? I'm not sure in the least where to begin. Also of note: WP:N is just an essay and can't be applied to this or anything else for that matter. speedy keep keep Zeekthegeek I have changed your vote to keep per speedy keep criteria. --Wafulz 01:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment WP:N is an essay, but WP:NOT and WP:V are indeed official policies. As for sourcing- you need actual content to assert notability first, and then you should source it using reliable sources. --Wafulz 02:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment Right. I'm working on improving the article still to have said content..I forgot to mark it as a stub so far, and I've been trying to find other project fans and the like to contribute with me. Zeekthegeek 02:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment A few things about your sources: The weblogs/podcast don't qualify as reliable sources (very few do), and the Wired article only gives a passing mention to the show (one paragraph in a two page article), so it can't be given much weight. They blogs also seem to have more of a focus towards Firefly than most neutral sources would, so this has to be taken into account. However, I'd still like to see the CBC Radio/Vancouver newspaper piece. Depending on their importance, it could help determine notability- from what I've read the show might become notable in the future, but from the current lack of independent, reliable, third-party sources that we have access to, it doesn't qualify at the moment. --Wafulz 01:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

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