Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Highgate School Muck Up Day 2006

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. A great big thank you to all the Cholmelians who made Highgate Deletion Day 2006 such a rambunctious success! Mackensen (talk) 15:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Highgate School Muck Up Day 2006

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Non-notable event, unverifiable. -- Tangotango 10:13, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete- Per nom Arbiteroftruth 10:14, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete -- nn event. - Longhair 12:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Do Not DeleteHow can you delete this?! It's an historic event, and well known by many in the London fraternity. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.106 (talk • contribs)
• Delete an unofficial event at a single school could never be notable. Might actually be a subtle form of attack page by implicating those named at the end of the article in being involved with vandalism. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 12:49, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Almost BJAODN? DarthVader 13:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. —Khoikhoi 16:14, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. I do feel bad for the kids if the event is true. --Starionwolf 18:35, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable school event. It might be worthwhile on having an article on Muck Up Days as they are a common custom at least in Australia. We had one at our school for the final day before the NSW High School Certificate at Mulwaree High School. Capitalistroadster 21:33, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I'd point you to the article, but I don't want to violate WP:BEANS. --Rory096 16:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete As above. DJ Clayworth 15:05, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. I like DarthVader's suggestion of BJAODN. Molerat 20:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Don't Delete I feel, along with many that this is a valuable page, not only is it informative, it had no vandalism involved within it(as all events were tidied up that same day), and the school were fine with everything that happened, and even sponsored many of the events that took place. This should remain on Wikipedia, as it is educational for other schools, and in order to inform those who do not know about or what a //Muck-up Day// is. Please do not delete this as it represents a memorable and historic year for Highgate School and it's history.The event is clearly true, and can be further proven by the photographs. why is this a non-notable event or an article that falls under "Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense"? Having read both articles for both notability and BJAODN, it clearly doesn't fall into either category! within our school, and most other public schools in the country, a muck up day is common for every final year on the last day. The day consisted of fun, no vandalism and pure enjoyment between teachers and students. Within the discussion section, people are arguing for their desire for the article to NOT be deleted.jackp59
• Do not delete -- Details about this event should be published for others to read about. There is very limited information available about Muck-up days on Wikipedia, on the internet or even published anywhere. Could I request that User:Starionwolf classifies his comment that "I do feel bad for the kids if the event is true". Also that User:Starblind classifies his comment that it is a 'subtle form of attack page', and where he thinks any vandalism took place? -- Payneo 01:16, 30 May 2006 (GMT)
• Delete per above Hobbeslover 02:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non notable event (before someone comments that I only have a few edits, please see my talk page as this is a new account, thanks) --Tim1988 09:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
• Do not delete -- How can you even think about deleting this?! This is a notable event for thousands in the North London area! Many people want to hear about this event and other muck-up days in general - and at the moment, there is a serious manque (as the French would say) of informative articles. This is a very important event for many people, and the fact that some people are considering this for deletion offends and frankly disgusts me. -- Dave 12:02, 30 May 2006 (GMT)
• Delete. Non-notable event. Markb 12:09, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
• Do not deleteDon't know why this would be deleted, its all factual and will be read by thousands of people.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.143.80.86 (talk • contribs). 10:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Do not deleteIt was an important day for all who were involved and deserves to be remembered in history. It really was special... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jack.kennedy (talk • contribs). 14:01, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Do not deletePersonally I feel that the contribution is worthwhile, and will be widely admired, read and is a brilliant article describing a truely memorable occasion, please fo not delete this article, User: Jackp59 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jackp59 (talk • contribs). 18:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Do not deleteThis item tells much about the changing nature of the British Public School (oddly in the United Kingdom Public Schools are Private Schools for historical Reasons.) We have all been left with an impression of the dark and dingy days of the Public School in the days of "Tom Brown's Schooldays." Here we see a lively and vibrant community. Don't delete such an informative piece. ivanalias —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.31.47.250 (talk • contribs). 19:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Do not deleteFollowing the statement "The introduction to this article provides insufficient context for those unfamiliar with the subject matter.", changes have been made to this item in order to improve the introduction. Does it require more alterations and aditional comments??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.31.47.250 (talk • contribs). 19:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Do not deleteA memorable day that has been celebrated throughout London's school community, an example of this supposedly unofficial event practiced throughout the UK should not go unnoticed on an online encyclopaedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Antiej (talk • contribs). 21:50, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Do not deleteThis is a truely worthwhile page and links nicely to Muck-up day —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jackp59 (talk • contribs). 22:01, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Do not deleteAs another comment states, all that is written in this article is factual account of the day's true events. None of the material is crude or explicit, merely a record of a day that means so much to so may people. Deleting such a page would therefore prove to be unnecessary and unfair on all those who wish to reminice about such an enjoyable occasion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.143.169.188 (talk • contribs). 22:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Do not deleteSurely the number of comments on this page demonstrates the 'importance of the subject matter'. It was not only an important day in the history of one of the oldest educational institutions in Britain, in the history of the tradition of muck-up day, but also hugely important to all those who witnessed the day and were involved in it.b
• Do not delete -- I am a keen wikipedian and one who was a witness of the event. In my, humble, opinion, it has a right to be on wikipedia as it was the most successful muck up day for a long time and the culmination of 13 years of highgate for many students. However, perhaps what makes it stand out most is that it marked the first completion of a co-educational 6th form- something which defied hundreds of years of highgate's history and made this day so monumental. This is certainly a notable event. Seb. SebM 14:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
• Do not delete-- An important memory for all those involved. The actions that took place on the day were in no way insulting or demeaning to any party and the spirit of the day was enacted in a manner which was light-hearted and regarded well by both teachers and students alike. Given the significant amount of time and effort put into the events of the day, i do not see why the event should not be recorded on this website. It offends no one and those wishing for it to be deleted need to understand that the memory of the day is important for the students, for the teachers, and for the future Highgate School pupils. This article is not promoting or advertising an act of vandalism, but an act of celebration and unity amongst the pupils. 86.142.25.244 12:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)Dean M
• Do not delete -- I cannot see any good and justifiable reason for deleting this page - it is far better constructed and referenced than many other so-called "legitimate" events pages on wikipedia. The event was very real, and marked an important milestone of the first cohort of girls to graduate from highgate. It was also a very special day for all involved. This is certainly a most notable event!! Luc
• Do not delete -- Definitely a notable event, and one which a site like wikipedia should record the history of. Would be a shame for something as enjoyable and fun as this to be lost in the sands of time. Worthy of record. SidVonDagger87.80.30.125 14:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable, not verifiable, and too POV. Great material for a personal page; inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Best of luck to the authors in moving it elsewhere. --William Pietri 20:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
• Muck up. Delete. CalTech Ditch Day is much more verifiable and notable, and probably doesn't belong on Wikipedia either. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 21:25, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Interesting to note that all these 'keen wikipedians', with their strong views on what should, or should not be included, don't know that the convention is to argue for keep, NOT do not delete. Markb 00:35, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Oddly, a lot of anons and whatnot who come to WP for AfDs say "do not delete." I wonder why. --Rory096 07:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
• Nuke it to the moon. High schools are barely notable, their pranks certainly are not. --Rory096 07:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I'm awestruck of the effort you put in to the whole thing, and the potential deletion of the article doesn't negate that. You have plenty of memories already of the event, however. Try not to stress too much about it. --0zymandias 07:12, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

• Do Not Delete IT WAS JUST A BIT OF FUN! LET US CHOMELIANS HAVE A WAY TO REMEMBER OUR LAST EVER DAY OF SCHOOL! Hugo —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.102.1 (talk • contribs) 23:53, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

• Do Not Delete I see no reason as to why this article is up for deletion. Wikipedia, in essence, is exactly what its slogan says it is i.e. "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit". Encyclopedia's are a source of information and tend to be useful resources. However, Wikipedia, as highlighted by Payneo, has limited information on Muck-up days in general and I see absolutely no reason why this article cannot be used as a prime example of what muck-up days should be about: having fun, having a laugh and making it one of the most memorable days of the school calender. This particular muck-up day is a milestone in Highgate School's history, as it is the first time that girls have participated in the tradition and this surely makes it a notable event, as not only does it mark the start of the evolution within Highgate but also shows how far Highgate has come not only as a school but as a community. I beg to differ and would like to ask User:Starblind where and in what form the "vandalism" actually took place? Also, User:Starblind goes on to say that Muck-up day is an "unofficial event at a single school". However, this statement is false as A) it is a traditional event at Independant Schools in the UK and so B) occurs at schools nationwide and internationally as User:Capitalistroadster points out that they had on at Mulwaree High School in Australia. I hope that all these factors are taken into consideration and are acknowledged when deciding the outcome of this article. Alem —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.1.93.98 (talk • contribs) 12:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

• Do Not Delete The muck up day was purely a day of enjoyment between friends and teachers, and anybody saying that this should be deleted is appaling because it hasd nothing to do with them and the names for-mentioned have done nothing that would incriminate themselves.DON'T DELETE!!bassyboy —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.0.28.95 (talk • contribs) 12:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

• Do Not Delete Entirely accrurate site. Provides Factual list of Events, Menus and People. No names that have been mentioned have done so without consent. Photos prove accuracy of comments, and the fact that the day happened. Link to general muck up day information provided. Notable event for general population of North London, notable event for all public school pupils in England,notbale event for the OC Society, link provided. Inoffensive, Accurate and Notable. Surely this meets all criteria. Also please notice that the people creating the page have acted entirely honourabley in producing it, and also made every effort to meet criteria, notable adding footnotes on your request, adding sources, adding tiotles and clarity and now offering 3 paragraphs on the importance of the event. Thegreatbriton —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thegreatbriton (talk • contribs) 11:49, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I'm afraid it's not a site, it's an article in an encylopedia. It seems like it belongs on its own website, many companies offer free hosting for this kind of stuff. I can see you made an effort, but unfortunately the event does not merit an article in an encyclopedia. Molerat 13:33, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

• In fact, Wikia might even host an entire wiki just for your school, if you want. --Rory096 16:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per above "Do not delete" votes and per nom. feydey 16:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

• DO NOT DELETE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is historical man. these bois r top top jokerz. this is crapypedia if they don't let this article stay up. dis is d bombest article on d ole of wiki(d)pedia. it only wikidpedia if u let dis article stay up boi- or else it's crappypedia n i wont eva chat to u again. Seriously i wil terminate my relationship wit previously-widi(d)pedia. Trust boi. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.32.115.251 (talk • contribs) 17:34, 31 May 2006 (UTC).
• Right. Must not have been too much of a relationship, since this is your first edit. But you are always welcome here. Anyway, delete as a totally non-notable event at one school. Grandmasterka 19:59, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, so some ppl think this is a joke, however, i've said on numerous occasions that this article shouldn't be deleted, and fair enough you may think it is a non notable event, how can I prove that it was? Some people are taking the piss, but in all seriousness, how can we keep this article on wikipedia? jackp59 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.31.47.250 (talk • contribs).

• It doesn't belong here. However, if you don't want to lose all your hard work (and a lot of effort has been put into the article), I recommend you save the article on your hard drive (to keep a copy after deletion) and resurrect it on an external website. Rory096 suggested Wikia hosting an entire wiki just for your school. I think that's a good idea. Molerat 22:10, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

• Do Not DeleteWhile this article may seem to be of limited importance I would argue that this is not the case. From reading what is frankly a very well written and witty account I have a number of observations. Firstly with over 100 people involved in the proceedings it seems that this page is not without a solid base of interested viewers. Secondly, coming from England I am well aware of the tradition of muck-up days and it is in this light that I believe this page is of great use. Many pupils take the opportunity of leaving school to cause violence to the local community, run riot and generally create unberable havoc. However the ideas used by the Highgate pupils were neither destructive nor troublesome to locals or staff. Therefore if in future years pupils searched wikipedia for inspiration for their own muck-up days then Highgate school seems like an exemplary example to follow. A final point I would add is the standard of written English in the article would no doubt also act as something which more unruly pupils (who would have already been disuaded from dangerous actions) could learn something from. Well written and commendable, i hope this is not deleted.86.138.120.15 14:46, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. The concept of a muck up day is a historic and traditional one that has very few articles written on it. This article provides an excellent account of a muck up day that is valuable for all. The event can be verified and the article is informative. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.7.3.52 (talk • contribs) 16:59, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• Can it be verified with evidence from a reputable publisher? In any case, the page is original research. Molerat 17:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, schoolboy nonsense, WP:NFT in extremis. Sandstein 18:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

That's a ridiculous comment. This event happens at schools worldwide annualy. This event is not made up in one day, its got centuries of history behind it, as is explained on the site Thegreatbriton 18:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC) The greatbriton

• This is not original research, it adds detail to something that is already present on Wikipedia.Payneo 20:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and have fun closing this monster. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 23:16, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Per all above delete votes. Zaxem 08:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Zaxem, I would like to remind you that this is NOT a vote.Payneo 09:23, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
  • "Votes" was a bad choice of words. What I meant to say was that I agree with all the comments made above in support of deletion. Wikipedia cannot have articles on every annual "muck-up day" in every school around the world – and nothing in this article suggest that this muck-up day was more significant than the many thousands of others. Zaxem 09:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
    • This article provides a prime example of a successful muck up day. Other than this article Wikipedia has less than 100 words about muck up days - events that are part of a tradition for many secondary schools in the UK and across the world (in particular Australia). There is very little published information anywhere for those wanting to find out more about muck up days; this supplys those interested with a great illustration of one. Payneo 15:12, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
      • This would be a good argument for expanding the Muck-up day article on Wikipedia to include more general information about the type of things that commonly happen at muck-up days around the world. But it's not a reasonable argument to justify why Wikipedia should have an article about one specific muck-up day at one individual school whose muck-up days are not any more significant than those at any other school around the world which has them. Zaxem 10:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment The event is unverifiable by the standards of Wikipedia (it cannot be verified by a reputable publisher), and it is not notable (I doubt the event concerns thousands of people, and anyway, many other events concerning thousands of people do not have articles). Molerat 17:26, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
• "Cannot be verified"??? 500 pictures will not have been faked 'Molerat'...your argument seems to revolve around the fact that other, more significant events do not have wikis - this is a non sequitur. The article itself also points out that it is of interest to both the many thousands of Old Cholmelians and much of the North London community. It is time to remove the chip from your shoulder and get rid of your prejudices against private schools and their 'traditions'. It is only by working from the bottom-up that Wikipedia serves its purpose. This is my vision of the Wikipedia of the future.Keep129.67.43.240 23:39, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

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