Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hialeah Gardens Elementary School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. -Splash^talk 01:00, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hialeah Gardens Elementary School

Fails to establish any notability. Dismas|^(talk) 04:51, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

• Delete: Keep: Despite this school's "butterfly garden," elementary schools are inherently non-notable (unless your kid goes to school there). — Cory Maylett 04:54, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
  • You know, after visiting the Miami-Dade County Public Schools article I've pretty much changed my mind on this. When viewed by themselves as stand-alone entries, elementary school articles certainly seem like non-notable trivia. But when viewed as one of a collection of sub-pages, of sorts, for large school districts, the aggregate value does become important. For example, for someone moving a family to Miami, a comprehensive set of important details on the schools in the area could be a valuable resource. This kind of detail might be impractical in a print encyclopedia, but Wikipedia isn't print. — Cory Maylett 17:21, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep:if you think this serves no purpose I think you should also conseder deleting the other Schools Listed on the Miami-Dade School District page.--Iknothetrth 05:15, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Looks like I've got my work cut out for me then. Dismas|^(talk) 05:44, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

• Merge with Hialeah Gardens, Florida. Local notability only. Sjakkalle (Check!) 06:41, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep Kappa 06:51, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete all non-notable elementary schools. TheMadBaron 11:26, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, failing that merge, per Sjakkalle Pilatus 11:29, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep/merge. - SimonP 13:23, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete not notable. Dunc|☺ 14:20, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Deleteah Proto t c 15:22, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Non-notability not established.--Nicodemus75 15:26, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep--Vsion 15:53, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Well written, part of a bigger context, and not filled with bs. Should be left as an example for other authors to follow. bjelleklang 21:52, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. Schools are no more notable than apartment buildings. And Wikipedia isn't google - visit the Miami-Dada school district site if you are looking for information about schools there. Bunchofgrapes 18:34, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep for the reasons well articulated at Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. Silensor 19:06, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. No basis for deletion. Christopher Parham (talk) 19:35, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Please do something useful instead. CalJW 21:47, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, schools are notable, bad faith mass nomination - Wikipedia is not paper. Who gave Dismas his janitorial barnstar??? Unwarranted time wasting effort to remove all elementary and middle schools from Wikipedia. KillerChihuahua 23:19, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep whoever gave it to them made a big mistake. like Cory Maylett said, "...for someone moving a family to Miami, a comprehensive set of important details on the schools in the area could be a valuable resource..." for this sole purpose the article should not be removed. I beleive further Discussion of this Topic is unnescessary if most of you who say Delete would have read the Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep you would have seen that it says "Schools are not donut shops, traffic lights, or telephone books, they're where we spend a large proportion of our waking lives, where we learn to be adults, gain skills and make friends. They play a large part in determining what kind of society we have." which means SCHOOLS ARE CONSIDERED NOTABLE!--Iknothetrth 23:47, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
  • NOT BY ME! Delete, schools are not inherently notable. Lord Bob 00:46, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. While schools amy not be donut shops, neither are they cathedrals, art galleries, ancient artifacts, or lost treasures. Because we have memorable experiences in schools does not make the institution itself memorable, and the real fact is that the vast majority of students attending a school have only vague recollections of it years later, a fact especially true for elementary schools. if Iknothetrth had continued reading the arguments for and against school articles, s/he would have seen the point that "Rows of things performing identical functions are not responsible for nor creditable with the individual experiences of that function." It is the people in schools who "play a large part in determining what kind of society we have": people who fail speedy deletion criterion A7 and would not even make it to AfD. Cory Maylett says "for someone moving a family to Miami, a comprehensive set of important details on the schools in the area could be a valuable resource". I think "could be" is warranted here. This school article, like just about every one that comes this way, is devoid of any useful information about the school except possibly for the external link. This article has no information about possibly notable instructors, possibly notable students, possible special or exceptional programs, any historical noteworthiness, not even how many students it serves. If I were looking for an informative article from Wikipedia about a school my son or daughter might be attending, I would surely be disappointed with this one. Bring out the hook. Denni☯ 01:50, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete All Elementary Schools --Aranda56 01:43, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Article fails to establish notability. --Carnildo 03:45, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep article about verifiable public institution and censure nominator for disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point. --Gene_poole 04:07, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. Its that simple. Someone needs to rewrite a few school district articles so that editors are not encouraged to create articles that will result in heated discussions here. Vegaswikian 05:52, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and expand. --rob 06:27, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Denni. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 06:50, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• delete only famous schools should have articles --redstucco 08:42, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete: non-notable grade school. Jonathunder 19:08, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
• 'keep please this is a notable school and who says what is famous any ways Yuckfoo 02:16, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Article present's no assertion of being worthy of an article.Gateman1997 20:53, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Exemplary stub. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 00:52, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
  • "Exemplary"? I think you need a new dictionary, son. --Calton | Talk 01:23, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep schools. ··gracefool |☺ 18:59, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. A worse-than-average non-notable school stub. --Calton | Talk 01:23, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Weak keep. Not a good article (or stub) by any definition, but it certainly has potential to be better than what it is now. I see no good reason to delete it. --Andylkl ^(talk) 15:42, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments#Keep. Well written, formatted and referenced stub. We should be encouraging this type of participation. Unfocused 21:41, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep It's well written, informative and to the point, not filled with bs, and serves as part of a larger context. Should be left as an example for others to follow. bjelleklang 21:55, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete all public schools. Gazpacho 00:00, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete I really don't think we need articles on elementary schools, because most likely there are two or more elementary schools with the same name, we really do not need articles like this, it's a waste of time. Crew29 24:26, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment This is from an IP address and signed with a reference to a username that has only three logged-in article space edits. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 21:40, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.