Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heroes of Destiny

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. enWiki is not the appropriate vehicle for self promotion. alphaChimp^(talk) 00:28, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heroes of Destiny

Article reads as advertising for a non-notable series of books. No hits on Amazon for either "Heroes of Destiny" or "Kevin Wong". In addition I suspect possible vanity, as author of article is KevinW001. Wildthing61476 14:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Added author's article Kevin Wong to this AfD. Wildthing61476 14:40, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete the book article, userfy the other one. Make that delete both. This gentleman came here to promote himself. - Lucky 6.9 14:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete both, blatant violation of WP:AUTO. Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh 14:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Don't think this will be notable when the advertising is removed. --ais523 15:11, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment My Heroes of Destiny books are self-published and they are not available on Amazon; they are only and exclusively available from my official website: www.kevinwong.ca . That is why you didn't see any "hits" on Amazon for "Heroes of Destiny" or "Kevin Wong". "Non-notable" - who determines what is notable? You? (Whoever you are)? Just because I wrote what I - Kevin Wong - genuinely believe and am about, and hence my books are about too, does not make me vain. Just because I started two Wikipedia pages about me and my books does not make me vain; I only wanted to START them. My fans and future fans - clearly none of which are you, the posters above, and the admin / editors who harrassed or even prematurely deleted my entries - will maintain them from this point forward. Thus far, I have unfortunately only encountered regarding my entries the following people: the people who have harrassed or insulted me to this point; the people who have shown blatant disregard towards me and my books; and, last - but certainly not least - the people who have exercised a complete abuse of power by deleting my Wikipedia pages MULTIPLE times - without ever reading them even ONCE as far as I am concerned. Wikipedia is a place of knowledge and learning. I am trying to get people to know and learn about me and my books. But as is often the case with computers - and some unfortunate souls sitting in front of them - they get pleasure from causing other people pain. Even if you delete my entries now, in time, you will all eventually have to allow them, because I - Kevin Wong - and my books - Heroes of Destiny - will be too famous and too successful to deny. It's just a matter of time, and it's just a personal question of whether you want to be my enemy, or my friend. I'd rather the latter, but I've dealt with my fair share of enemies before, and if I have to here too, then fine; this comment of mine here is my side of the story - and my half of the battle. But ultimately - far beyond this inane discussion - me and my books becoming successful is all that will matter; and when - not if - this happens, I have to admit, it will be even sweeter if I did it in SPITE of today's events - not because of them. I've said what I had to say. Do as you will.
  • reply Notability of a person is based on WP:BIO and the fact that you are self-publishing the books weighs against you, as the popularity of your books is probably small. This has nothing to do with the quality of your books. Adding in that you are writing the articles yourself, which violates WP:Auto and you have a poor case. If you wish to get people to know about you and your books there are better ways. Send your books to reviewers at major sites. Advertise in the right forums. If that succeeds, then you can certainly be included in Wikipedia, and I hope you don't feel any rancor about it. Mister.Manticore 15:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Rampant vanicruft. Onebravemonkey 15:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete all, author page fails WP:BIO, book series page fails WP:BK. No WP:RS. WP:VANITY based on the rant above. And when all this is too famous and too successful to deny, feel free to recreate, but until then, WP:NOT a crystal ball. --Kinu ^t/_c 15:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Self-published books, impossible to verify sales, very few GHits. Per author's comments above, by all means, when you and the books are famous, the articles will be welcome. That time has not yet come. Fan-1967 15:53, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. It seems that you have taken the deletion debate very personally. I assure you, this is nothing personal (around 1000 entries on Wikipedia are up for deletion at any one time, and we have no time to hate them all.) We just have policies for what articles are allowed on Wikipedia, based on the Wikipedia:Five pillars. The fact that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia (a tertiary source) and neutral means that there can be no original research. That means that everything has to be sourced with reliable third-party sources, like newspapers, magazines, reviews, etc. This has nothing to do with how the quality of your work, it's just that there are no sources in the article about this book (it seems that the Daily News, a paper in Halifax, has written a review, but I have no idea what the review is about or if the review has been grouped in with other books.) In summary, please read all the policies I've listed to get more of an idea about Wikipedia and why the policies are in place. ColourBurst 17:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete' because I don't like having hot air blown up my exhaust pipe. Danny Lilithborne 20:02, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Goodness. Erm... good luck in your future endeavours, sir. Delete both. Tony Fox (arf!) 20:11, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete both. Vanity press? Well-named. Trust us, kid, you'll thank us for this later when you come to your senses. --Calton | Talk 00:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
• Dear author: your books are self-published and that is precisely why the WP:BK proposed guideline says that this article should be Deleted. Pascal.Tesson 18:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

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