Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henna gaijin

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge and redirect to gaijin. I've merged the lead, which is written in an encyclopedic style; if anyone wants to merge more they are free to do so from the history. Sandstein 09:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Henna gaijin

Henna gaijin (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

This is a non-notable neologism (fails WP:N) that isn't even English. Wikipedia is not urbandictionary (sources fail WP:RS). Note that Google hits for this phrase are less than likely to be relevant, as it is just two words run together (or three; this is really hen na, not henna). Dekimasu 11:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- Neier 13:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete — Sounds more like a rant (kind of against non-Japanese) than anything else - and as Dekimasu said, Wikipedia is not an urban dictionary. –- kungming·2 ^(Talk) 17:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to Gaijin.I've removed the biased rant.--Endroit 18:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and redirect to Gaijin. I'm changing my vote, because somebody keeps entering inaccurate information from blogs.--Endroit 20:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to Gaijin - This is a valid term, well supported and referenced, even if the actual article is lacking. However, it could easily be folded into gaijin. MightyAtom 01:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Legit term. Here is proof. -- Crevaner 14:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment That's not a correct google search. You must exclude wikipedia from the search. And upon further inspection, there are 171 unique sites on google that use that term. Google counts 60,900 pages within those 171 sites. Not very overwhelming. This is also a neologism. --Kunzite 23:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect as above. Neier 22:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Adding a few comments from the talk page during the deletion vote below. Dekimasu 06:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

• I would merge it with japanophile. LordofHavoc 13:56, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

• I would also agree with the merge, although part of me would rather see it removed, because I'm skeptical that the phrase has such a clearly defined idiomatic meaning for the average native-speaking Japanese. It is certainly not a youth subculture, and I don't think you can call it any kind of subculture at all... Djiann 05:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete This isn't really a "culture" or a "stock phrase." It is just a word that means "wierd foreinger" and isn't anything I've heard in use other than as an insult. Should we turn every japanese word or insult into a Wikipedia article? If you want a "culture" article, "Foreigners Living in Japan" might be an appropriate topic. Denaar 12:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: I've heard it both ways, both positive and negative. The literal meaning "strange foreigner" ("weird foreigner") happens to be still extant, despite what the cited sources say. But the negativity we detest comes primarily from the word gaijin, and the gaijin article goes into details of that negativity. Hence a merge with gaijin would make better sense than a merge with japanophile. Personally, I wouldn't mind if it were deleted altogether, but that wouldn't do justice to the cited sources.--Endroit 14:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I've just removed the "Japanese subcultures" box from the article.--Endroit 15:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The recently readded information is quite similar to a copyright violation I removed previously. I would check the main paragraph against hennagaijin.org. (Also, the cited sources aren't really reliable sources, and rather tend to show that it is in fact a less-than-notable neologism). If this article had been written about the website instead of the website's term, for example, it would probably have been speedied. Dekimasu 09:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep I would neither merge it with Japanophile because Japanophiles describe the same kind of people living outside of Japan; nor would I merge it with Gaijin because henna gaijin are very different to just normal gaijin, in that gaijin act like the culture of where they are from, whereas henna gaijin act like Japanese people. Therefore it should neither be deleted nor merged, I see it as a legit article.

You should probably point out that you created the article. Dekimasu 09:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

• Merge to Gaijin, else delete Do not keep seperate. It's a neologism. It's an aspect of "gaijin". The list is also very POV. It also doesn't seem to have enough independant sources to stand on its own. And who would eat natto with relish? --Kunzite 22:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The "natto with relish" phrase was plagiarized from one of the websites, so don't blame the contributor. Dekimasu 09:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

No it wasn't, it appeared on so many pages. Onur 21:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Two hits and one of them is the front page of hennagaijin.org. Dekimasu 02:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

With wording like that, I figured it was pilfered from somewhere. It's in that "You know you're something-or-another if..." that circulate the internet frequently. It really doesn't need to be a seperate article. --Kunzite 04:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

In response to Dekimasu's comment, I must say that if you include the ommitted results in the search, and count the number of hits, making sure that you don't count websites that have already appeared before, you'll find six hits, not two.

The other hits are message board postings of the front page of the website. That's why they were filtered. Please sign your comments. Dekimasu 04:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. People continue to comment on the talk page instead of here. The most recent comment was the following (anonymous): In Japan, if you say "henna gaijin," people will think "weird foreigner" which does not necessarily mean "foreigner who has adapted to Japanese culture." Yeah, maybe someone who has adapted to Japanese culture will be described as "henna gaijin" since it is a rather unusual sight, but that doesn't mean that "henna gaijin" MEANS "adapted to Japanese culture." That's like me saying that "weird old man" is a term for "pedophile" because one could describe a pedophile as a weird old man. Dekimasu 05:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Merge as above, word factual YamSan 20:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.