Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry's Place3

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Deleted by Marudubshinki with summary of per afd. -- JLaTondre 16:32, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Harry's Place

Should be speedied: re Delete at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry's Place.--Mais oui! 12:48, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• first afd via page move
• Second afd linked above.

• Keep. Since this discussion has been nominated for best UK weblog. Very influential among the pro-democracy left. David | Talk 16:39, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete as G4 Recreation of deleted material. --Aaron 19:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn/CSD G4. Didn't Hemingway used to drink at a bar called Harry's Place? That'd be encyclopedic. -ikkyu2 (talk) 01:14, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Important blog, described as the 'meeting place of the anti-fascist left' and as such widely read. Mentioned several times in the media, including the guardian and evening standard. The last vote for deletion seems to be full of sockpuppetry. Also, this was deleted by the 'war on blogs' group: [1]. Nothing wrong with people co-ordinating their efforts of course, but the Harry's Place article didn't/doesn't even meet their own criteria! But as their rhetoric shows (on the deletion pages as well) there was clearly no serious effort made to discriminate between what is notable and not. Anyway look at the history page, it's clearly important to the several people that constantly vandalise it! (good work on that btw, Dbiv). Wikeawade 02:52, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

• Note: The above is Wikeawade's third edit. --Aaron 03:06, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

• eh? I stopped being anonymous yesterday, before this went up for deletion. Pretty shrewd, that. 163.1.42.195 03:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC) Oops. Wikeawade
  • Can we have links to the media coverage you mention for the terminally lazy like myself?
    brenneman^{T}{L} 05:44, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• Ok, relevant quotes:

"Harry's Place, the "blog" to which he is now a prolific contributor, has become one focus of Britain's culture of political blogging " [2]

When Harry 'left' they gave some space to the event : "Nigh on 2,500 words of political reflections follow, but that shouldn't detract from the site's significance. It provided a rare example of convergence between old and new media, with Fleet Street columnists, including The Observer's Nick Cohen, championing the site. Harry's postings have prompted a conversation between newspapers and the blogosphere,.." etc. etc. [3]

Also, for everyone's information, the guardian's 'Norman Johnson' column is a satire on Harry's Place, David Aaronovitch, and similar (probably named after Norman Geras and Alan Johnson of Labour Friends of Iraq), commisioned by the guardian opinion ed., Seamus Milne (no friend of HP). An example of 'Norman' mentioning the site specifically is here: [4]. This should be put in the article, incidentally... (and adds to notability). Its pretty absurd that a national newspaper devotes several column inches every week to surreptitiously attacking a blog, and usually doesn't let the readers know the context.

A search at the guardian's website turned up several more mentions, but that will do. The Evening Standard was where it was first called 'the meeting place of the anti-fascist left'. Not online, unfortunately, but evidence here: [5]. --Wikeawade 14:47, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

An afterthought: Presumably Norman Johnson will soon get an article like the other Guardian columnists... in which case we might have an article on a spoof without an article on the original.. Wikeawade

• Delete The weblog award on its own still does not notability make, and otherwise, it's essentially the same article that was deleted before. --InShaneee 05:31, 23
• Keep This is one of the centres of the UK's pro-war left.--Cherry blossom tree 14:56, 23 February 2006 (UTC)February 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete per CSD:G4. Tagged. Stifle 15:29, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Re-tagged for speedy as G4. Author had assumed from the three-day backlog on CAT:CSD that this article was not being considered for speedy. Tonywalton  | Talk 00:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.