Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Half-Life 2 DeathMatch Pro

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. howcheng {chat} 19:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Half-Life 2 DeathMatch Pro

nn HL2 mod? Sceptre ^(Talk) 16:57, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

• • Someone seems to have vandalized this page by removing the header link and Sceptre's originial nomination. I have restored it by copying from the original edit. Don't try it again, don't be a juvenile, even if you are. Be mature enough to have an intelligent debate about this, rather than trying to sabotage the deletion process.GestaltG 14:35, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Looking at this entry fairly, I don't see why this is an "article" or why it's necessarily encyclopedic. I note the following in support. First, it's written in jargon which is about half incomprehensible to me. Wikipedia is a general audience encyclopedia, so articles should not be written in jargon, Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia for professionals. That at least merits a strong cleanup tag. Second, it seems to be a promotional article for a video game and should be deleted on that issue alone, having no other value. Finally, other than the first nearly incomprehensible paragraph, the rest of the "article" is mostly screen shots from the game and lists of features, programmers, and play testers. All of this adds up to a delete vote GestaltG 18:00, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it should be deleted at all. Millions of people all over the world play Half Life 2 (HL2) and this is one of many wikipedia entries describing in detail the various modifications (mods) to the game and where they can be found. This mod, along with all the other HL2 mods, is free. Therefore, this is not an advert by any means. It is an informational page for HL2 enthusiasts and is entirely useful as an information source. The jargon you refer to is necessary technical detail and would be understood by anyone looking for information on HL2 mods.

An unsigned endorsement for keeping the page. The game is basically a commercial product, at some point along the line, each of the owners of this game paid money. That makes it an advert, even if you classify it as a free modification to an existing program. I wouldn't write an article about the latest free upgrade to my shareware floating desktop clock program, and if I did, I'd expect a speedy delete. If you want to make an "informational page" of this sort, for "HL2 enthusiast" that belongs on a fan site or a game promotion site. Wikipedia is neither. Further, Wikipedia is a general free public encyclopedia, so saying that the "technical detail" is necessary and "would be understood by anyone looking for information on HL2 mods" is not an argument for keeping an article that consists of one paragraph of technical jargon and a bunch of lists and screenshots. GestaltG 19:22, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete Gorob Gorob Gorob! 19:20, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

This should be kept. It is a valid mod of HL2, and has as much right to exist here as any other listed mod.

• Keep it barbouze 13:58, 01 January 2006 (UTC)

As an evidence it should be kept. How can we imagine to delete it ? It is a full valid mod of HL2 which is free and which is a very good mod. Hey GestaltG, did you read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life_2_mods ? If you think this mod does not deserve to be listed in the HL2 mods list then why don't you react for Dystopia, Hidden Source, Plan of Attack, or SourceForts?

• • • First of all, I didn't put this page up for deletion. I saw it on the Afd list, looked at the page, and voted for deletion. I know nothing about the pages you listed, but if they exist and they are as you represent, then they should be deleted as well. I am advancing as a princple here that individual articles should not exist for modifications to video games. All of the reasons I stated here--they are advertizments, they are not really articles, they are not notable enough to deserve an encyclopedic article, and that they all belong on fansites and game promotion pages, which Wikipedia is not, would apply equally to all of the pages you mentioned. I am not here arguing whether they are "valid mods" or not, since I have no idea what you mean by that, I am talking in terms of encyclopedia content. If these pages are as you say, then I will seek to take this discussion to a higher level and have it endorsed as a principle by Wikipedia that pages about individual video game modifications are not encyclopedic content. GestaltG 14:09, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

• Strong delete. Patently non-encyclopaedic. --Daveb 15:49, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. I'm obviously for deleting this page, and quite a few people are. Barbouze's votes should be discounted, he registered at 12:34 today, and has only edited the Sandbox and this page. Sceptre ^(Talk) 17:43, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
  • This may be true, but don't cross out his vote. howcheng {chat} 19:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.