Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grown At Home

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. This band seems to be on the line between notable and not notable, with some saying it qualifies under WP:BAND, while others saying it fails WP:MUSIC. If this band doesn't improve, maybe another AFD might change matters. w^{L<speak·check>} 07:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grown At Home

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reason non notable band article does not state why they are imptent enough to be on here Oo7565 03:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per nomOo7565 03:37, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
• Weak Keep Delete — Cites only a single BBC article that denotes notability (as far as I can see). Apart from that they have no charted hits or major awards. However, they have two album articles on Wikipedia not listed as AFD, and as such those two articles would also require deletion (I don't consider albums to be more notable than their respective bands). Changed my mind per below comment, though I still think the album articles would also have to be deleted, and it's a keeper if another reliable source is cited. --RazorICEtalkC@ 04:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

• Weak Delete - it looks like they totally fail WP:MUSIC. The BBC link is only one non-trivial source; the policy requires several. The articles should be deleted if more sources can't be produced. --Haemo 04:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

• Weak Delete This band seems to be just on the cusp of not meeting WP:MUSIC. However, if there were any additional sources, they would probably already be in the article. janejellyroll 04:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
• Weak Keep. Per radio playings. Just barely notable.--Vox Rationis (Talk | contribs) 19:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. The article describes national and international tours as a support act. "In April and May 2007 Grown At Home will be supporting the established Californian ska punk outfit Voodoo Glow Skulls on their European tour." --Eastmain 21:03, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:BAND as having two albums and radio playings (including on BBC local program) and the multiple references that discuss the band and/or their albums. However, my "keep" is conditional on both album articles being merged into the main band article, as there seems to be more references for the albums than the band itself. -- Black Falcon 23:34, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:BAND as having two albums and radio playings (including on BBC local program) and the multiple references that discuss the band and/or their albums. (As above. I'm lazy.) The UK ska-punk scene is hardly thriving in 2007 (what with popular bands such as Lightyear, No Comply, King Prawn and Adequate Seven all splitting up in recent years), and Grown At Home are one of the few surviving bands of the genre still gaining popularity. It seems silly to make me come back and rewrite this in a few months after more headlining tours and CD releases. I'm sure that many fans of the genre would be interested in this article. Don't make me beg now. -- MartyHol 04:33, 4 March 2007 (GMT)
  • EDIT: And they're clearly "the new market leaders for their genre in this country, and with a nationwide fanbase to back their unsurmountable popularity"! :-P -- MartyHol 03:04, 6 March 2007 (GMT)
• Delete Fails WP:MUSIC. Do other editors read the article? For those that don't here are some excerpts from the article, they have realeased one EP 'which was then released on Cash For Pigs Records - a label created primarily to release this EP', e.g. self released. It is going so well 'The EP has sold more than 1000 copies.' They have also released one album, again on the Cash For Pigs Records label. As for the references, very few qualify as reliable sources. As for the tour, the requirement is that 'Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country, reported in reliable sources'. The tour has not yet happened, has no independent sources reporting it and, IMO, the requirement is that they are the main act. Nuttah68 08:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Yeah, assumption will get you everywhere. So... because Cash For Pigs Records was created to release the EP, it's 'self-released'? Who said anything about any members of Grown At Home having ANY affiliation with the running of Cash For Pigs Records? Somebody considered their EP worthy enough of release to create a record label simply to release it. Lack of reliable sources? Now I'm sorry, but where exactly would you expect me to be getting references for an upcoming UK ska-punk band if not sites such as Punktastic? -- MartyHol 09:00, 6 March 2007 (GMT)
• Delete According to WP:Music a simple entry on a tracklist, even the BBC's tracklist, does not constitute signficant non trivial third party coverage. This band may well be very good and they may well one day sell millions, but they simply do not meet the wikipedia criteria set out in WP:Music at this moment in time. We cannot keep the article on the grounds of what they might become because Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. A1octopus 15:25, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.