Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greg Mathew

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus -- Samir धर्म 04:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greg Mathew

Big Brother housemate, per precident.-- 9cds^(talk) 00:36, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per precedent. Nonnotable housemate - Peripitus (Talk) 01:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Rockpocket 03:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. He did win Asutralian Big Brother in 2005. However, there are 15 references to him in an Australia New Zealand media database all of which refer to his win. His fifteen minutes are up. Keep Winner of Big Brother and appearing in forthcomig documentary on his trip makes him notable enough for mine. Capitalistroadster 03:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 03:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WikiProject consensus stated. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 06:06, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per consensus and precedent. --Coredesat 06:08, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect Keep per the combined notability of winning BB and filming documentaries and being first twins to ski to the south pole. and previous reason that people will inevitably search for the name. Ansell 06:30, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect that's what I got from the precedent - Any individual contestant page should be merged with the series' page on sight. —Mets501 (talk) 13:08, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect Our aim should be to make Wikipedia user friendly, and people are bound to search the name, much better to redirect than just cause a dead-end. --Wisden17 13:17, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect as per Wisden. Interlingua ^talk 15:32, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep This wikipedia deletion frenzy is becoming preposterous. This proposed deletion is NOT covered by any wikipedia policy, and completely contradicts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Big_Brother "This article is part of WikiProject Big Brother, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to Big Brother on Wikipedia. ". If winning Big Brother, being the first twin to reach the South Pole, etc. in not notable, you may as well close down Wikipedia now. Next you well be deleting the winner of the Federal election. Ice trek: http://www.icetrek.com/index.php?id=705  ; Sea world (see 29 mar) http://www.seaworld.com.au/visitor_info/latest_news_articles.cfm?archived=0 Gtoomey 16:52, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Read the precedents. "Individual contestants should not have individual articles unless they are, or become, notable for other things." --Coredesat 19:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment Precedents - you have to be joking. Precedents are not policies, and how does deleting entries "build a comprehensive and detailed guide to Big Brother on Wikipedia". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Big_Brother . Anyway I've joined in the fray of destroying wikipedia by proposing Ryan Fitzgerald http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Fitzgerald for deletion. I will be doing further destruction, err deletion, tomorrow. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gtoomey (talk • contribs) .
    • Please don't disrupt Wikipedia to make a point. -- 9cds^(talk) 19:30, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
      • • For what its worth, I think it is not assuming good faith to say that to someone. Ansell 23:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Not sue how to assume good faith out of someone nominating someone notable to make a point :) -- 9cds^(talk) 23:59, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry but I couldn't figure out what you meant to say just then. WP:POINT is not relevant to someone commenting on a discussion, particularly when you are the nominator, and the fact that you mistook the precident (sic) to be delete when infact it was merge and redirect, which is not what AfD is for. You could have had the merge discussion somewhere less disruptive, which BTW, is what WP:POINT is about. Ansell 00:33, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I wrote the precident. I put it up for AfD because I felt it needed discussion. -- 9cds^(talk) 09:33, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

For future reference the spelling is precedent. AfD is not the place to try out things you aren't sure about. It is for being certain of something yourself before coming here. Did you put this on the relevant Noticeboards and Wikiprojects before doing this? Did you prod any of the articles?

And your wanting everyone else to know exactly the steps you followed to nominate this, which is probably relevant since you had to fix up your RfA because it wasn't formatted correctly, is just ludicrous. Actually warning me for 3RR for removing the single-use instructions that interfere with this process shows a damn lot of immaturity. Stop being a process wonk. Ansell 11:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Please be civil. -- 9cds^(talk) 11:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

What was the uncivil bit? Ansell 11:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

• • • • I'm not disrupting WIkipedia, I CREATED tfour Big Brother articles including this one. All four are now deleted or subject to deletion. The irony is that WikiProject_Big_Brother wants to make Big Brother more detailed. I created Behind Big Brother Australia which is cited on wikipedia Big_Brother_Australia_series_5 and within minutes of me creating it it was subject to deletion. Gtoomey 19:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
        • It is possible that because it has a large amount of hype in popular culture that people want its influence reduced in the encyclopedic environment here. Ansell 23:51, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect as per most english big brother housemates--Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 19:40, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect for same reasons as above. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 19:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Winner of a series and notable outside of being a BB contestant - he became first twin (along with his brother, obviously) to reach south pole. -- Chuq 23:10, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • If you can find a quote for them finishing their quest I would have to change to keep. Ansell 23:51, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
    • http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,19522429%255E31624,00.html Greg & David Mathew are filming a number of adventure documentaries, including being the first twins to reach the North Pole, and crossing the Simpson Desert.
      • It doesn't seem highly reputable, if only because it is so short. If the event was really notable I would have hoped there would be more coverage of it. Ansell 11:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
        • So you dont consider Newcorp newspapers reputable? I have better things to do in life to contribute articles, have them deleted a year later, and argue with idiots. Goodbye forever Wikipedia. Gtoomey 11:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect per the others. Sophy's Duckling 23:21, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect, as usual. Interesting parallel with Saryn Hooks below. Just zis Guy you know? 11:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:BIO and actual precedents (e.g. looking at the full picture, including American examples, and not just the selective examples, picked to prove a false point). --Rob 03:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep -- Was a BB winner and won close to AU$1 million. Has notability outside of the house. CHANLORD ^[T]/_[C] 04:13, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: All six U.S. Big Brother winners have articles. The only AFD of those (or only one I know) was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisa Donahue which was a keep. Even the first evicted of the sixth season of the US show was kept by consensus. --Rob 04:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Sigh. Jumbo Snails 04:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment The precedent referenced in the nomination has been challenged by multiple users and as such is not strong enough to be used as the only nomination condition. Ansell 06:46, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
  • See the precedent evidence in depth [[here including cases from June/July 2005 and a limited number of participants across the entire set. Ansell 11:42, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Notable for both winning Big Brother and for being the first twin to reach the north pole. Cyclone49 12:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep -- I@n ≡ talk 03:55, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.