Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grease Trucks (Second nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus Keep, even after discounting votes from new users and potential sockpuppets. Deathphoenix ʕ 20:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

• Changing to keep, it's not worth my time to argue with someone about whether this is no consensus or keep. The net result is the same anyway. --Deathphoenix ʕ 12:36, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grease Trucks

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• Delete/Merge I suggest trimming and merging any relevant info on this article to the Rutgers University page (in particular,the Student Life section). The article was deleted on March 4, 2006 in the following afd:

*Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grease Trucks

But was recreated 4 days later on March 8, 2006. The article does not meet Wikipedia notability guidelines which states that a topic must be notable enough that it will be described by multiple independent sources. whilst there only seems to exist one real source of nobility for this article (that being the sandwich award from Maxim magazine in 2004 for the Fat Darrel sandwich along with coverage of that award). Jersey Devil 22:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

• Redirect to Food truck. "Grease trucks" are food trucks at a single university campus. --Metropolitan90 23:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete and salt the earth as recreation of deleted material. --Aaron 23:14, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment The material may have been deleted for bad reasons. The deletion itself is being called into question here, so I find this argument invalid. MJKazin 13:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Comment, I never attended Rutgers University, but I did grow up in New Jersey, and I can tell you that not only have I heard of the Grease Trucks, but I have probably talked about them at least 20 times in my life. This is one of those things that everyone from NJ knows about. I wonder if R U Hungry is still around.... --Descendall 05:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC) Changed to comment, I'm not sure if that makes it noteable

• Comment yes, I am from Jersey and am currently a Rutgers University student. I don't understand why 1-3 paragraphs in the "Student life" section of the Rutgers University article isn't a reasonable solution to this. Anyway, I just wanted to find a reasonable consensus on this.--Jersey Devil 06:03, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep I am a Rutgers student as well as an experienced Wikipedia editor, people have traveled across the state and from other states to eat here. It is as notable as Chicken and Rice and has been cited in numerous magazines. Its notability equals that of Rutger's NonProductive. How is winning Maxim magazine sandwich of the year not notable? Also the former nomination was hardly an acceptable nomination. The nominator didn't leave a comment nor signature. On top of that there were only 4 responses. Sources for notability: [1], [2], [3], [4].(proved "a topic must be notable enough that it will be described by multiple independent sources.") Valoem ^talk 09:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I can't access the third article. Regardless, I'm inclined to agree on notability criteria due to the others. MJKazin 13:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep or Merge I am a Rutgers alumni and life-long NJ resident. I've met more than a few people from NJ and beyond who when told I went to Rutgers would promptly ask about the "Grease Trucks". I have rarely met anyone from New Jersey who hasn't at least heard of them, and many have been there at least once. The Grease trucks are noted in various sources, most famously in Maxim, and are a well-known part of the Rutgers University social environment. At the very least they deserve mention on the Rutgers University wiki page, though it is probably too complex to detail in a small space. Needs its own entry. --Daveyboy37 17:19, 25 September 2006 (UTC) changed to KEEP and clarified position
• Comment I am against a merge since the Grease Trucks have grown beyond just Rutgers culture. Students have traveled from others colleges, including community colleges to have a sandwich I am a primary witness to such events. As a free encyclopedia that require a community to expand, democratic methods can be taken even if an article has been deleted (which I did not know since I created this article from a redirect, an improper one might I add, since Food trucks are not called Grease trucks. The name is unique to these Rutgers trucks). I question the fairness of the previous delete because so few responses were taken. The failure to pass may have been due to poor quality, which I believe I avoided in this article, as well as a lack of research in notability (possibly because of lack of citations). This rewritten version comes complete with citations. A simple search of Grease trucks in Google brings copious amounts of results (notable results might I add). Valoem ^talk 19:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

The grease trucks are a well known regional institution of sorts. I would estimate that the majority of people who went to college in the Greater NJ area since 1990 or so have heard of the grease trucks. They are a ubiquitous aspect of Rutgers college life, a large national univrsity and as such, it is my opinion that the entry is valid and should be retained. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.151.113.139 (talk • contribs).

• STRONG KEEP. Merging with Rutgers University is not a solution since it isn't solely a matter of "student life"...it's grown beyond its connection with Rutgers (as per Valoem). Though a reference on the Rutgers page is warranted, it's already there in the template and I think under the section titled "points of interest" (if not, i'll correct that). Deletion is not the solution, since this is notable and its notability is cited. This subject is just as notable as the Harvard Fuck Truck...actually moreso. —ExplorerCDT 20:42, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

• I knew about the greese trucks in High School 30 minutes south of them. I went there often with my friends from High School. I took many people from my University 1 hr north of there to late night visits. Within New Jersey, this is a well know attraction. I've now moved 1.5 hrs west of them, and i drive with friends from Pennsylvania to share this expierence. I believe this article should be kept.--Mkrupnic 01:59, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete A nonsense subject.--Holdenhurst 12:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Nonsense to one man is important to another. I have no interest in NASCAR or FIFA-related material, but that's no reason to delete them. MJKazin 13:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment Your argument holds no ground (directed at Holdenhurst). Grease Trucks are notable and should be kept. 71.245.220.176 15:53, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - The Grease Trucks are a staple of the Rutgers campus. This article is not about a single truck on a single corner, it's about a specific group of trucks that cluster together. They are notable especially in light of the Fat Darrell/Maxim Magazine exposure. The history log of this article backs up Valoem's claim that this incarnation of the article was only created on 8/25/06 not March, and therefore should not be speedy deleted. Wl219 12:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

• I would suggest that in order to make the Grease Trucks even more notable, references to 2005 Daily Targum articles about the complaints of harassment by female students should be added. Wl219 12:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

• This should not be deleted. The Grease Trucks are quite notable and have had several articles in magazines and newspapers as well as has been featured on a few shows on The Food Network. AntiG

These comments were moved from the Grease Trucks discussion page which is relevent to the debate 71.245.220.176 16:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, properly cited article that ascerts notability. Themindset 00:08, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

• "STRONG KEEP"* -- I lived in central jersey for 18 years and though I never attended Rutgers University, I visited the grease trucks on more than one occasion. The flow of young people crowding the area late at night is a social event in itself. Good memories, affordable yummy greasy food, more fun than going to the local diners. The grease trucks are a part of New Brunswick's youth culture. I was looking for information about them to show my west-coast friend and this article conveniently showed up in search results. It was helpful... Please don't delete it...68.171.137.121 07:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep When I was in Tampa last fall, Rutgers came to play USF and there was a feature on the grease truck (presumably because of the Maxium article). I think notability extends beyond Jersey. Agne 10:01, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

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