Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grassfield Elementary School
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Speedy redirect. I am an administrator, and Martinp23 is correct. Deletion is not the final stage of article merger. Nominations of the form "I have merged the content into X and now want this article deleted." are erroneous. Remember: If you had wanted the content deleted, you would not have copied and pasted it into another article. Uncle G 15:59, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Grassfield Elementary School
I have merged the limited content into Chesapeake, Virginia Chesapeake City Public Schools. Nothing notable enough to justify the retention of this article. Delete. BlueValour 21:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. If it's been merged already, can't it be speedied as housekeeping? Akradecki 22:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, if it's been merged already, then this is a "speedy redirect, close the AfD, and move on with our lives" type of situation. -- Kicking222 22:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- Comment - this was incorrectly closed by a non-admin. It should have been deleted first and the non-admin didn't have that power. I am happy for an admin to Speedy Delete. BlueValour 00:02, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yep - I closed this discussion as a non-admin because it is an incomplete merge. When you merge two articles, like you've done here, BlueValour, the page you've merged from should be made into a redirect, because people will still be looking for the page at its old name. A redirect doesn't require a delete or admin powers, so I carried it out, as authorised in Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Non-administrators_closing_discussions. So its best to just do a speedy redirect, where no admin is needed. Thanks Martinp23 00:07, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- I merged the content /not/ the article. Please don't give lectures when you do not follow the guidelines yourself. It was /not/ an unambiguous Keep. BlueValour 00:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- You merged the complete content of the article, which amounts to the article as a whole. It's normal procedure to make a redirect, as suggested here, to the new page from the old - not delete it. If the page is deleted, the problem is that the contributors' details are lost, which conflicts with the GFDL, which wikipedia tries to follow at all times. When an admin does come along, he/she will close this discussion exactly as I have - the difference being that admins don't have much time and I have more, so I may as well carry out what I can in terms of closing AfD's Martinp23 00:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Wrong. A merge/redirect is an editorial decision that the creator can reverse. A delete/redirect he cannot. BlueValour 00:23, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- The creator could reverse a delete/redirect by just copy=pasting the inforamtion as held elsewhere into the article. If the creator were to revert a merge/redirect, he could just be put right and pointed to the appropriate AfD. It looks like I'm not going to be able to bring you round to my reasoning, so I'll ask the closing admin to decide on what the proper course of action was (should I have closed when I tried to?) (I'm going to sleep sonn - so may not reply for a while) thanks Martinp23 00:26, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- If a delete/redirect is bypassed then the Speedy delete procedure comes into play and, if need be, the namespace can be protected. A merge/redirect is simply an editorial move with no binding effect - a merge/redirect is a variation on a Keep. BlueValour 00:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Exactly. This is why deletion, and AFD, play no part in article merger. Uncle G 15:59, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- If a delete/redirect is bypassed then the Speedy delete procedure comes into play and, if need be, the namespace can be protected. A merge/redirect is simply an editorial move with no binding effect - a merge/redirect is a variation on a Keep. BlueValour 00:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- The creator could reverse a delete/redirect by just copy=pasting the inforamtion as held elsewhere into the article. If the creator were to revert a merge/redirect, he could just be put right and pointed to the appropriate AfD. It looks like I'm not going to be able to bring you round to my reasoning, so I'll ask the closing admin to decide on what the proper course of action was (should I have closed when I tried to?) (I'm going to sleep sonn - so may not reply for a while) thanks Martinp23 00:26, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Wrong. A merge/redirect is an editorial decision that the creator can reverse. A delete/redirect he cannot. BlueValour 00:23, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- You merged the complete content of the article, which amounts to the article as a whole. It's normal procedure to make a redirect, as suggested here, to the new page from the old - not delete it. If the page is deleted, the problem is that the contributors' details are lost, which conflicts with the GFDL, which wikipedia tries to follow at all times. When an admin does come along, he/she will close this discussion exactly as I have - the difference being that admins don't have much time and I have more, so I may as well carry out what I can in terms of closing AfD's Martinp23 00:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- I merged the content /not/ the article. Please don't give lectures when you do not follow the guidelines yourself. It was /not/ an unambiguous Keep. BlueValour 00:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yep - I closed this discussion as a non-admin because it is an incomplete merge. When you merge two articles, like you've done here, BlueValour, the page you've merged from should be made into a redirect, because people will still be looking for the page at its old name. A redirect doesn't require a delete or admin powers, so I carried it out, as authorised in Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Non-administrators_closing_discussions. So its best to just do a speedy redirect, where no admin is needed. Thanks Martinp23 00:07, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Speedy redirect - my last vote appears to have been deleted. Martinp23 06:54, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- Speedy redirect. Please note that deleting after a merge destroys the edit history and violates the GFDL. If we are going to keep the content, deletion is not an option. -- Visviva 10:16, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
