Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Graham Nash (Countdown)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was KEEP. -Doc^g 02:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Graham Nash (Countdown)

Graham Nash (Countdown) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

fails WP:BIO — Swpb ^{talk contribs} 20:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

If the individual is more well known and more published than an average college professor (based on the U.S. practice of calling all full-time academics professors), they can and should be included. This argument fails straight away, since I can't name one single US college professor. I find fails WP:BIO to be a rather silly POV statement - who says it fails it?

There are 1.6 million articles on wikipedia and I tend to think one factual article with sources to back it up is not worth deleting. Let's not forget the player didn't just appear on the game show, he won 15 shows in a row and was champion and champion of champions of the show. I just don't see in what way this is not a genuine article. Mglovesfun 23:24, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Second citation: Sportspeople/athletes/competitors who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports or other competitive activities that are themselves considered notable, including college sports in the United States.

This article seems to fit directly into this category. So it passes WP:BIO with flying colours. Mglovesfun 23:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I can see why this was nominated. I've read the article and I still don't have a clue who he is or what sport he plays. I have never in my life heard of a sport called "countdown". What country is he from? Where does he live? The article is completely, totally senseless. It's well-written but it's as if I would have to have some massive amount of pre-knowledge of the subject in order to figure out who he is.

Okay, now I see in the category listing that he was a contestant in a British game show. Could it have hurt to say that in the article? 99% of the readers of Wikipedia won't know what Countdown is or where it's from. It isn't shown outside the UK as far as I know, and I'm guessing 2/3 of the UK population don't pay attention to TV game shows (well, if they're anything like Canadians, it would be more than that). This article needs to be rewritten so that it at least says who he is, where he is from, and how being a Countdown champion is notable. --Charlene 23:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Adequately (indeed, enormously more than adequately) covered in List of Countdown champions and List of Countdown octochamps. Not notable otherwise. Tevildo 00:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep but rewrite for NPOV and tone. --Duke of Duchess Street 03:01, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Countdown is a long runnning game show (20+ years) and is watched by approximately 1.7 million viewers [1]. However winners don't have the same sort of fame as say winners on Who Wants to be a Millionaire, as the prizes aren't impressive [2]. I'd say the number of viewers who could actually remember the name of most winners would be a tiny minority. One Night In Hackney 03:41, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. We're an encyclopedia, not a repository for all information. Fails the "is he more notable than my socks?" test. WMMartin 17:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep on the basis that this middle-age-interest article is just as notable as much of Wikipedia's teenage-interest content, so it improves the balance of the project. Greg Grahame 02:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.