Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gotchi

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gotchi

Complete nonsense. I PRODed it, but that was contested. Erik the Rude 01:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as useless - but considering that Hackergotchi has been around since April 2005, "gotchi" most certainly was not coined in 2006 despite the articles claims BigDT 01:53, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete BuckRose 02:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NEO--☆TBC☆ (aka Tree Biting Conspiracy) 02:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete CSD A7 Hobbeslover ^{talk/contribs} 03:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. nn Neologism. — TheKMan^talk 03:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn neologism.--Jersey Devil 03:51, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, neologism. --Terence Ong 14:03, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn Crazynas 15:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn neologism. Lbbzman 16:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Hackergotchi if possible. Lisapollison 19:11, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - utterly non-notable. Biruitorul 20:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per Lisapollison above, seems the best course of action. --Wisden17 23:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
• This article probably is not notable. See [1] and [2]. --Rory096 07:57, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

This entry is not nonsense at all. Were it nonsense, the neologism 'Wiki' would not exist, and Wikipedia would never have come to light. Wikipedians itself as a word is a neologism. Why should Wikipedia not support kindred useful neologisms?

To merge Gotchi with Hackergotchi would be akin to merging Wikipedia with Wiki. And Wikipedia then would lose its right of autonomy. Hackergotchis are one category of 'Gotchi.' The entry 'Gotchi' makes the case that this unique and entertaining icon style is spreading to the net, hacker and wider art and culture community. The Wikipedia entry 'Hackergotchi,' is mentioned in the entry for 'Gotchi,' as it should be. A link from Hackergotchi to Gotchi if possible would be useful.

The date of entry of the neologism Hackergotchi is irrelevant. Both Gotchi and Hackergotchi stem from Tamagotchi. Tamagotchi itself stems from the Japanese word for 'egg' but it is the first two syllables - and not the 'gotchi' - in Tamagotchi that refers to the Japanese word for 'egg.' As such, Gotchi is extracted from the link which Hackergotchi has initiated with Tamagotchi and it does so in a clever way. It becomes a root for both neologisms Hackegotchi and Tamagotchi, which both grace wiki nodes in Wikipedia. Why not Gotchi?

As the entry Gotchi clearly attributes, the term also stems from the most valuable source on the Internet, the Open Source community of Linux hackers, thinkers and developers. Some are attributed, i.e. Planet Gnome. Others may be freely added in Wikipedia style.

Let Gotchis live. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.163.215.232 (talk • contribs) .

• Delete. --Golbez 04:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I have been told I need to include a reason for this vote by User:Rory096. My reason is, this is a shithole of an article, and should be speedied with prejudice. I also don't like the anon's attitude. --Golbez 05:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
    • IT'S NOT A VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!! --Rory096 05:05, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete A google search shows no evidence of the term as used in the article. Ace of Sevens 11:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Dear Golbez - This is a page for discussion not flaming. As author of the Gotchi page, my interest is in communication, perhaps our last diplomat on planet Earth. Wiki itself was innovated to aid such platforms of communication that are based on respect and consensus. I respect any respectful criticism of my entry Gotchi. Through criticism, consensus is built and knowledge deepened. Please, Golbez, keep your power urges to yourself. If Wikipedia wizards condone such abuses of its members' hierarchy, allow individuals such as Golbez to abuse his powers, it will only lead to diminishing the Wikipedia community's initial intention, and perhaps doom Wikipedia to become a disrespectful and therefore disrespected, source of knowledge. I suggest that Golbez give a good reason now why his bad language, his flaming utterance above, should lead to anything other than his speedy retreat from any decision-making Wikipedia wizard role. What does Golbez mean by attitude anyway? His bad language is a blemish on the reputation of Wikipedia and for this Internet pioneer indicates Golbez ought to explain reasonably why his breech of online etiquette toward an equal, is not an abuse or power that could scorn the Wikipedia community. Abuse of power has no place in Wikipediadom! Why shoud Golbez be acceptedd for his off-the-cuff slanderous remarks while I waste time reasoning? If this outburts does not lead to his resigning his role from his own initiative, I will be disappointed that he does not see that he has done all here a disservice, including language itself. Respect is earned not through bullying bad language. It is a sign of a desire to wield power which is in fact a priveledge based on one's acumen, study and knowledge.

Ace of Sevens - You will find gotchis at Flickr - http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Gotchi - for instance - http://www.flickr.com/photos/jp-o/26973829/ specifically (a good example too.) Or check this major lycos site using and visualizing the English word 'Gotchi' - http://www.lycos.de/startseite/news/bundestagswahl/wahlogotchi/ergebnis.html . There are oodles of Gotchi entries for the patient searcher. And there are many misunderstandings of the term to be found. Most think that the root of Tamagotchi has issued the wor Gotchi, when in fact, Tama stems from Tama (related to the Japanese word for 'egg.')

SpacePlace is one major cultural instance where the term Gotchi is used. It is a site made by Internet pioneers, who have been involved with Net culture since the early 1990s. The term has been published in information concerning the SpacePlace project by the world-reknowned museum ZKM Center for Art and Media Technology. Gotchis adorn currently a link banner on its homepage - www.zkm.de - and the SpacePlace Press Release. Google has I believe already indexed these pages. The term Gotchi does not occur as a title word, but in the body of various texts. the word 'gotchi' also occurs since April 2005 on the entry for Hackergotchi - "The "-gotchi" part seems to be a reference to the term Tamagotchi." where it is misleading as Tamagotchi I mentioned above stems from Tama (related to the word 'egg' in Japanese, and not 'gotchi.) Therefore the term 'gotchi' has been around in Wikipedia space for some time, and has not, until now, been defined as a term. This is done now by the entry 'Gotchi'.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.