Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gosforth High School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 12:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gosforth High School

Gosforth High School (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Contested PROD. Yanksox 20:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - Seems to me to be non-notable. --Kf4bdy ^{talk contribs} 20:41, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Let's just agree to keep all high schools in England, because it seems they all have had notable alums which is generally acceptable as grounds for inclusion. In this case, a quick search told me that footballers Alan Shearer and Michael Chopra attended the school. No doubt more to follow. We just need to add references to the page. -bobby 20:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • All high schools in England? What's to say we don't apply that to every nation? And can you please shorten your sig per WP:SIG. Yanksox 21:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm with Yanksox on your ludicrously long signature. I'm also against you that notable alums is a "generally acceptable" means of inclusion. Nothing about the school debate is generally accepted. I'm generally against keeping all schools (I'm much more against lower-level schools than high schools, though), but I'm especially against the idiotic "notable alumni" clause. Almost every school that ever existed has some notable alumni, because pretty much every notable person of the past two centuries at least went to elementary and middle school, so chances are that one person of note went to any given school. Moreover, people generally don't choose where they go to school, so saying that a school is notable simply because one person with a WP article was forced to go there for three or four years is- in my opinion- stupid. -- Kicking222 21:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - I do think we should have an article for all high school's that have been around for longer than 50 years (and/or) have notable alums. The article on this particular school needs to be expanded, but that's no reason to delete it. School's are often notable if they've been around for a while, and I do think that it is interesting to see where various famous people spent their later childhood. If you feel differently, join the debate at the proposed notability guidelines for schools. As to the sig, sorry about that. I'm a 4th of July American Baby so I've always loved patriotic colors. It should take up less room not. Regards, -bobby 22:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

*Delete Nothing particularly notable about this school. No notable alumni. No athletes of clubs performing at a national level. No other claims that assert notability. JoshuaZ 22:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC) Changing to keep per presence of notable alumni that I failed to notice. JoshuaZ 02:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC) changing back to delete per GRBerry's argument below. Unless the article can be sourced, notability of alumns isn't relevant. JoshuaZ 03:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC) Ok, back to keep since the items about the alumni are verifiable so it can stay as a stub with that for now. JoshuaZ 05:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment (re change back to delete) Doesn't this conflict with User:JoshuaZ/Schoolproposal element number 5 - "The school has multiple notable alumni or staff (e.g. would qualify for an article under WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC or some other inclusion guideline)." ??!?!? While I think an argument could be made that an elementary school has no discernible role in shaping a student who years down the road happened to turn out notable, the notables listed at Gosforth all had critical formative experiences at the school -- athletic or musical -- that shaped their future success and Wikipedia notability. In this case, your own criteria couldn't be more relevant. Alansohn 05:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

***Comment Yes I know, by my personal notability criteria can't overide WP:V. In the words of Jimbo "WP:V is non-negotiable" If we can't get enough to verify anything then we can't do much. JoshuaZ 05:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC) Never mind, I changed my mind again.JoshuaZ 05:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Notable alumni are listed above. What is wrong with having articles on all High Schools? We are not short of disk space. We have articles on all villages, many of which have less people than a High School. This article needs to be expanded, particularly to say something about the schools that merged to form it (what were they called, did they have a long history, did they have notable alumni?) --Bduke 00:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, all high schools are notable, with its notable alumni. --Terence Ong _{(T | C)} 04:30, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Robertbcole and other commenters above. Yamaguchi先生 04:35, 4 November 2006
• Keep Notable alumni because of as listed above TheRanger 04:38, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as long as it gets expanded... if it does not I will not object to a future afd.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 07:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Keep per notability standards set by WP:SCHOOLS and the near-universal precedent for retention of high school articles. Details re notable alumni, including sources re attendance at this school, have been added. It's disturbing that people are so ready to vote delete witout doing even a minimal investigation as to the school's notability. Alansohn 23:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep for my usual reasons. -- Necrothesp 00:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Without coverage satisfying WP:INDY that is primarily about the school, it is impossible to write an article adhering to both WP:V and WP:NPOV, each of which is a policy. The links are trivial mentions, only enough to establish that certain people went to a school of this name, not to say anything about the school. GRBerry 03:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Alkivar, Yamaguchi, etc. --Myles Long 17:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It is obvious now why the "prod" was contested; given ample time all high school articles will demonstrate notability. Silensor 23:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

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