Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gongki

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was KEEP. Herostratus 17:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gongki

Doesn't meet WP:V -Nv8200p talk 18:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. It's a historical game played in Korea, [1] explains it (even though I can't read it), and WP:RS specifically says that non-English sources can be used, so V is satisfied. However, someone fluent in Korean should translate some of the sources google picks up. ColourBurst 19:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete There are a few fundamental problems here with regards to WP:V. Firstly, we need someone, who understands Thai or Korean to verify this article. A Google search shows about 200 hits. But most of the webpages which mention the subject are in Thai. Well, personally, I have little doubts that this game exist. But the main problem here is that it is impossible (at least currently) to verify this article. One must remember that one of the key policies of Wikipedia is WP:V. Perhaps, we should bring this article to the attention of our Korean users? --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 19:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete per Siva, unless someone fluent in the source language can help us out. :) Dlohcierekim 00:32, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:V. While WP:RS does allow use of non-English sources, is says:

1. "Where sources are directly quoted, published translations are generally preferred over editors performing their own translations directly."
2. "Where editors use their own English translation of a non-English source as a quote in an article, there should be clear citation of the foreign-language original, so that readers can check what the original source said and the accuracy of the translation."

Here, the article itself doesn't provide any references at all, English or otherwise. And while one of us has maybe found a Korean language ref, we certainly don't have a published translation, and thus far no native speaking editor has verified that single source. --Satori Son 18:50, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. There's a Wikipedia:Translators_available function, so I'll ask one of them if they can translate the source above. ColourBurst 22:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I can assure you that such a game exists, although all the gong-gi stones I've seen were made of plastic. --Kjoonlee 03:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep We don't have references for I spy or Simon says either, but they're verifiable, nonetheless. --Kjoonlee 03:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I have now properly sourced the Simon says article. We get to articles when we can. --Satori Son 13:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This game is a solidly traditional component of Korean culture. BTW, if you spell gongki, its incorrect. It's Gong-gee (not gong-kee, as the gonki sounds like).Hellwing 03:53, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • So even the name of the article might be wrong! This is exactly why the article should be deleted and only recreated when its notability and contents are verifiable by proper sourcing. Wikipedia is now the number one online reference source in the world - we need to get it right. --Satori Son 13:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
    • You know, I would have moved the article right away if the AfD wasn't in progress. --Kjoonlee 15:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
    • But I can assure you, the article is getting better. --Kjoonlee 15:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Here's an English link with practically the same description as the first link: [2] --Kjoonlee 15:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
  • And here's a photo of plastic gonggi stones: [3] --Kjoonlee 15:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and Move to Gonggi. I believe the article is now on much better footing thanks to the work of Kjoonlee. I have stricken my Delete opinion above. Kjoonlee should finish adding references, but an admin will probably have to delete the incorrect redirect over at Gonggi and then move this article to keep the history. Thanks and great work. --Satori Son 15:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Thank you everybody who helped out with the article. ColourBurst 16:19, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per comments above. ~ trialsanderrors 09:12, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.