Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Girl gamer

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. — JIP | Talk 08:14, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Girl gamer

I don't see why "girl gamer" needs its own article. Delete it and maybe put a paragraph about girls in gaming culture in another article. Scottmso 00:38, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Phenomenon in male-dominated gaming world. Needs references though. -- JJay 01:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, maybe merge. This article is little more than a drawn out, pretentiously written dicdef, mixed with some original research. The subject merits a mention in a gaming culture article, but I don't think there's anything here worth using. Actually, I think most of the articles about gaming culture could use an overhaul/rewrite, since they suffer from unsourced original research and social commentary. See Video game player, hardcore gamer, Indie gaming and others. Night Gyr 01:54, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• weak keep Sure, why not? Youngamerican 04:19, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
  • comment: I'm switching to plain old, regular keep, since the term/trend seems quite common now, moreso than your run-of-the-mill neologism. Youngamerican 01:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: I could see how this could expand, but current state looks rather funny. -- WB 06:53, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Agree with nominator.--Dakota ~ ε 07:19, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• At best Merge, but even making it good enough for a subsection of another article will take some editing. A.J.A. 07:21, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep/Expand, I think the title itself sounds funny and encourages people to think it is a pointless article, using the word "female" instead of "girl" will warrant a more serious look at the implications of the subject. I also think that there could be psychological issues to be looked at which could be very helpful to people. We should expand the article with a bit more of a scientific and factual meaning behind the idea; and then link to it from the main video game articles. ArgentiumOutlaw 07:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per JJay — J3ff 08:02, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep 40k google and some references have been added -- Astrokey44|talk 10:27, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as sufficiently obvious as not to require definition. Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 12:29, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, well-known referenced phenomenon. I would love the phrasing to be to the point at the start, though. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:04, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I've seem this phrase being used in few differnet places and can perhaps see why people might want to look up what it is all about and why it is used.Evil Eye 13:14, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, though I hate the term.  RasputinAXP  _{talk contribs} 14:44, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Kep and expand, particularly with reference to games other than video games. Stifle 14:47, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Merge Wow, girls who play games?! I'd say delete, but the info about these women becoming minor celebs is quite interesting. --kingboyk 17:38, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete, are we going to seperate male and female masseuses now? The article offers no actual information, is heavily POV (males' general societal awkwardness, inherent sexual attraction, etcetera), and only aggravates furthering stereotypes. As a gamer, I sure as feck don't care if you have a penis or a vagina, and there's definitely no "inherent sexual attraction" to you Sherurcij ^{(talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject)} 19:07, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and cleanup. The subject of female gamers is a hot subject of study at the moment, in a field that is perceived as being men-only. At a time when gaming is transgressing gender borders, this is a particularly relevant subject. Perhaps move to Women in video gaming. Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs 19:16, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete arbitrary topic that hardly warrants encyclopedic treatment. Eusebeus 19:49, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep although I recommend changing the title to something of a more encyclopedic tone. The article is sourced and represents a social phenomenon that is the subject of news reports and sociology studies. As a female gamer and contributor to Wikipedia's gaming articles I consider this topic overdue. Durova 20:06, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, cleanup and move to a more professional title like Women in video gaming. Having the title be "girl gamer" is like Culture of the United States being under the title Yank culture. --Bletch 21:51, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Why not talk about male nurses, then or, commando girls. It's just unecessary to have an article of it's own. Make it maybe a reference in the gaming article. Ricardo Silva 22:18, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and de-POVize. Yeltensic42.618 23:39, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. If there are gender issues with an activity, cover that in the relevant article, such as gamer. We shouldn't create these specialized little articles, until the main article is overgrown. --Rob 00:37, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, cleanup and move, as per Bletch's comments above. Coll7 01:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete --Ajdz 05:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per Bletch. --Terence Ong ^Talk 08:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related-related deletions. -- Rob 00:40, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Thought this was going to be a case of good subject, bad article looking at the current votes, but there's nothing glaringly POV or unverified here. Needs improvement, but not the end of the world if it doesn't get it. --Last Malthusian 18:09, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• delete Unless there's separate definitions for girl auto mechanics, girl television announcers, or boy ballet dancers. I don't see why a separation. The girl gamers should be included in the "gamer" entry as well as any other gaming genre- older gamers, boy gamers. ets. Steppen53 1/06/06—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.17.2.56 (talk • contribs) 23:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC).
• Keep although I'd rather see it merged, better to still have it and a consensus... Makenji-san 00:34, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.