Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Francis Muir (Second nomination)

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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. — JIP | Talk 05:58, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Francis Muir

I came across this in a review of edits by a particular user. This was previously AfDd Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Francis Muir, with a slew of suspicious-looking anon votes. It was relisted for further consideration, and several editors I know voted delete (and one or two I also know to be genuine voted keep). The debate appears to me to have been curtailed amid misunderstandings regarding relations between two named users, now subject to arbitration.

In the mean time, my investigation of this article's subject suggests he is not actually that notable. A few academic publications years ago (list is very short by academic standards) fewer Usenet posts than me by quite a large margin, and not that many rlevant Google hits either.

Since the last vote seems to have been overshadowed by arguments re sockpuppetry and individual users' good or bad faith, I'd like to submit this for a second consideration, on the merits of the subject. Apologies to anyone who finds this objectionable, my motives are simply to have a proepr, clean discussion so that it is either klept or deleted based on the content and the subject, which (to my admittedly rather jaundiced eye) is not what happened last time. - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 15:37, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete seems to fit in WP:AFDP#Education as nn. Unless he made important contributions elsewhere, but I can't find them. --Pboyd04 16:17, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
• Weak keep He does have an asteroid named after him [1] - but the rest is fairly marginal IMHO. Dlyons493 Talk 16:47, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

• You can buy those. My kids' junior school has a whole star :-) - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 23:18, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

• • • Actually, you can't buy an asteroid name. The International Astronomical Society is the naming body for all soalr system objects, and the best you can do is put in a request, which will almost certainly be ignored unless you are the discoverer of the body in question. As for "buying" a star, don't get me started. Denni ☯ 03:39, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, as doesn't seem to meet WP:AFDP#Education (not made significant contribution to a book) nor "The professor test" at WP:BIO. Would be willing to change vote if somone can say why asteroid is named after him (and that's notable). --Petros471 17:16, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and cleanup. I also see no need to relist. -- JJay 22:39, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, again. A non-notable person in the world at large, known in rec.arts.books as a long-time poster but that's about it. The "asteroid test" I find pretty unpersuasive, since it has nothing to with his accomplishments. Francis Cuszeno has an asteroid too, who's he? rodii 23:20, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
• comment. If the decision is to delete, this could be a useful redirect to Frank Muir. Grutness...wha? 00:11, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable enough for his own article. Denni ☯ 03:43, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep A colorful and well-loved Usenetter. Larvatus 04:36, 31 December 2005 (UTC)larvatus

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.