Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fourth Mechanized Corps

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was move to Soviet 4th Mechanized Corps. howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 17:44, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fourth Mechanized Corps

Too generic article name. Difficult to merge into Battle of Stalingrad and similair. Orphan article Scoo 09:27, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

The text below originate from my botched attempt to nominate yesterday (12 Dec 2005)

Delete, article has a too a generic name (4th Mechanized corps), the content is non-existent as of now, dubious whether enough info could be gathered for an article of its own. Battle of Stalingrad would probably not need a list of individual participating units. Scoo 20:42, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete; likely to cause confusion. Tom Harrison ^(talk) 17:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

• Comment If the article title is confusing, than a move to a new title is appropriate. The title shouldn't be grounds for deletion. The article as it stands is pretty poor, but we have a number of decent articles on different military units (based on the unit's history and not one battle). It is possible this could be expanded to that level, but I don't know enough to know to one way or the other. unsigned by JLaTondre 00:48, 16 December 2005

Oops! Thanks to Scoo for fixing... -- JLaTondre 13:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

No problem. Anyway I agree that the best thing to do would be to keep, move and expand, but at the moment deletion would be most suitable IMHO as the article should be moved and written in a standardized way. I've contacted someone at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Soviet_Union for advice but it might take some time to get organized (to format guidelines etc). Finally, Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history don't seem to have any guidelines on how to treat units, only battles. Scoo 15:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. wrong title, wrong body. -R. S. Shaw 05:09, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

• Keep and rename to Soviet 4th Mechanized Corps—I don't see any reason to delete this—Soviet units are very neglected in Wikipedia. It's likely to remain a stub for a long time, but that's okay. —Michael Z. 2005-12-16 16:55 Z
• Move and expand as per Michael. Scoo 18:20, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Have a look at these articles to see where this one would belong (the list is sketchy so far). This one should probably be renamed Soviet IV Corps or Soviet IV Mechanized Corps to be consistent with others (on the other hand, someone has linked Soviet 4th Corps). —Michael Z. 2005-12-16 16:55 Z

• List of military corps
  • III Corps
  • IV Corps (still unwritten)
  • List of military corps by number
• Soviet order of battle for invasion of Poland in 1939
• Corps#Soviet Corps

I've looked over my one measly source and done some Web searching. It looks like a few sources use the conventional roman numeral notation, but most would write Soviet 4th Mechanized Corps. —Michael Z. 2005-12-16 17:18 Z

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.