Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fleas and Lice

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep.  Grue  12:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fleas and Lice

In horrible shape, and it looks like this is for a band who might be unfamiliar to many people. Unless we can fix the importance thing, or edit it a little bit, I say delete. --S-man 07:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment I have removed the copyvio and added tour history to establish notability criteria. This is a well-known band in the crust punk genre that I knew about even before this article, and was able to rustle up notable info on within minutes. Parsssseltongue 21:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BAND. Few relevant Google results [1] and no Allmusic profile--TBCTaLk?!? 07:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and redirect to Parasite ~ trialsanderrors 07:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, fails WP:BAND. --Coredesat talk 07:49, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - given that it's written by band members we got attacked in Gdansk et cetera it certainly doesn't belong. WilyD 14:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - per WP:NOR. Not wasting time investigating an article without resources. Ste4k 16:09, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep - Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country, reported in notable and verifiable sources.This band has traveled all over Europe and the United States. They are a very notable crust punk band. This is another case of a Wikipedian trying to delete a topic they have no knowledge of, when it's readily available. Did any of you check to see if the band had an official website? I did, and saw that info from the article was cut-and-paste from it (I removed it). Someone needs to write an essay entitled WP:LAZY. Parsssseltongue 18:13, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Don't let official websites fool you into thinking a band is worthy of an article. My band had an official website detailing our discography, concerts, et cetera before we held a single rehersal and before I even learnt to play guitar. Bands such as that example have official websites all the time. WilyD 20:46, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I have prior knowledge of this band and they are not a hoax. Again, I stress, if anyone before me had bothered to check the website, they would have seen their tour history, their notable releases, etc. (and that the Wiki article as originally written was copyvio). I think people have itchy trigger fingers when it comes to AfDs. Parsssseltongue 21:19, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete; would change to keep if significant content were added. A series of unordered lists does not qualify, in my opinion. Also, I would like to see a WP:RS or two cited. Walter Siegmund (talk) 21:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Needs work, but has impressive touring for a band from Holland [2]. Albums released on Profane Existence Records, who are marginally notable for being devoted to crust punk. Meets WP:MUSIC. --Joelmills 02:34, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - I just did a very brief expansion on the article, and removed the "tour record" which was a copyvio. Referenced it instead. --Joelmills 03:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, needs work but they are notable enough. bbx 06:34, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I'm not uninclined to change my vote based on the recent findings, but I still want to see that anyone actually wrote about them. Websites, tour listings, etc., don't really establish notability. ~ trialsanderrors 06:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Article is unbias and is a signed band —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.248.218.111 (talk • contribs).
• Weak Keep: I've heard of them and I'm not a huge crust fan, so they are at least partially notable. The problem (on wikipedia at least) for them, and many other punk bands is that there is a lot of distrust and scorn for the mainstream music industry, so the vast majority of punk bands (including many that are quite notable within the punk scene) are completely off the radar of major music magazines and comentary. This causes huge problems for verifying notability within articles. Crust punk is especially prone to this, since there is absolutely no mainstream popularity for the genre. The Ungovernable Force 04:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.