Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fick deine Mutter

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mailer Diablo 08:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fick deine Mutter

Probably a hoax article about a German music producer. An earlier edit prod'ed it as a hoax; the prod was removed with the claim that the title was a stage name for "Andreas Rökker", who has no google hits. When challenged, the original editor claimed that his earlier stage name was DJ Ilan, who is a German producer, (see German WP) but was born in 1976, not 1960. Original author has removed unreferenced tags twice. I am unconvinced. Mr Stephen 11:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry, that was the wrong born-date. correct is 1976. but that is not a reason for deletion. "DJ Ilan" alias "Andreas Rökker" is also "Fick deine Mutter". End of discussion --History Chanel 12:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, per above and because author has repeatedly blanked the AFD notice. Looks like a hoax to me. NawlinWiki 12:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as an increasingly obvious hoax. BigHaz 12:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

no, it is not a hoax or something like that, see the other articles! do not delete. --History Chanel 12:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete because of the absence of verification. Deli nk 13:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

no, you can look in the other articles, everything is ok. --History Chanel 13:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources. Add a section by typing ==External Links== in the article. List your sources below that. Until then, this looks like a hoax to me, so delete unless History Chanel can provide reliable sources. Srose (talk) 14:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, now you have reliable sources from the english and the very professional german wiki. The sources are now in the article section "External Links and sources". The article is now ok. Can somebody remove the delete message? Because that doesn´t look very good.--History Chanel 14:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. My German is a bit rusty, and maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how the one external link or the two links to German wiki articles do anything to support the notability (or even the existence) of Fick deine Mutter. Deli nk 14:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as hoax. My Google search turned up nothing. If he were a Munich Academy for Television and Film graduate, he surely would not have graduated under an alias, and in order to source that claim, we would probably need some reference for his real name. The German Wikipedia articles do not mention Fick deine Mutter at all. --Huon 15:03, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

No it is not a "hoax". The problem is: Which name should have the article? The best Possibility is "Fick deine Mutter", because the other Name "Andreas Rökker" does nobody know. The links show some important Albums and Songs which has "Fick deine Mutter" made. "Fick mich...und halt dein Maul" is one of these Albums, there are many others too, but the source Links just show some of them. I think, it just takes too much time, when we have a long discussion here - My suggestion: Away with the Delete-Message and everything is clean. --History Chanel 16:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - I'm very sorry if I wasn't clear before, History Chanel. We need external links to establish verifiability - links to sites outside of a Wikipedia of any language. Perhaps there is a link to a news article or official website that you can add to your sources? Srose (talk) 16:59, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment While the links may or may not show albums and songs that Fick deine Mutter made, they do not attribute them to him; they don't even mention him. In short: Do you know of any proof of Fick's very existence, except your word? --Huon 17:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I don't know if it of any relevance, but the name literally means "Fuck your Mother". That and "Your mother" (deine Mutter) are apparently Pseudonyms. and there is indeed no mention of this producer in the other two articles on the German Wikipedia (which, by the way, don't seem to be properly sourced themselves. --84.184.108.185 17:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment anyone interested in this deletion may want to look at Auf dem Weg ins Puff, which also claims to be a German politician, and whose author has repeatedly blanked prods. It's a very similar pattern, perhaps sockpuppets? -- dcclark (talk) 17:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Response to comment -- yep, Auf dem Weg ins Puff is a hoax page, cut and pasted from Peter Struck. That author also likes to remove deletion tags. I've added the listing immediately below this one. NawlinWiki 18:20,

25 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the other Account was my sockpuppet: I had 2 Accounts but now I am only using this one, because it is not very good when you have two Accounts. Anyway, I somebody should move the article to "DJ Ilan", because this is his famous name. I thougt that maybe "Fick deine Mutter" is better, because on his newest release, he says in a song that this should be his new name. But if you like it, rename the article to DJ Ilan. Maybe I will translate the other informations from the german wiki. Alright? --History Chanel 18:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

• • (edit conflict) Hmmm. Likewise Sheila Voser, an article with no references about a Swiss comedienne, and a similar pattern. Mr Stephen 18:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Delete as hoax Travelbird 23:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete likely a hoax, non-notable if it isn't. Wikibout-Talk to me! 16:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, likely WP:HOAX, no WP:RS provided. --Kinu ^t/_c 01:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

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