Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Evol Intent

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus to delete, default keep -- although the arguments for keeping were more thoroughly documented. Now suggest that all references mentioned are placed in the article. Bubba hotep 09:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Evol Intent

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Per WP:MUSIC. A quick Google search failed to reveal the group's significance, and they have not been on any charts. -- Cielomobile ^{talk / contribs} 00:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete yet another idiotic band article. YechielMan 05:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)*Delete per WP:MUSIC. CattleGirl ^{talk | sign! | review me} 07:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
• Weak KeepThe appearance on the Need for Speed game provides some notability but the article needs better sourcing and citations. StuartDouglas 09:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete I agree per WP:MUSIC, defintely failing that.Tellyaddict 16:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, fails WP:MUSIC. Allmusic.com returns only a single release attributed to Evol Intent [1] that received very little in the way of buzz or sales. The lead Google hits are their own website and their Myspace page, always a deadly harbinger of non-notability. RGTraynor 16:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - per nom. Fails WP:BAND. Ronbo76 00:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
• Comment I don't know anything about this band, but from what I can tell, they're signed to and have released material on Renegade Hardware [2], which at least fulfills one requirements of WP:BAND. I, and I think everyone else, would appreciate therefore if the Delete votes were more than just "Fails WP:BAND or WP:MUSIC." Let's not forget WP:JUSTAPOLICY. That said, I'm abstaining from voting for the time being. Rockstar915 01:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

• Comment: Well ... JUSTAPOLICY is just an essay, an opinion statement from a handful of editors no more or less pertinent than yours or my opinion. That being said, what criteria listed in WP:BAND do you claim this group has met? Just signing onto a label or "releasing material" doesn't suffice, by a long shot. RGTraynor 01:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

• Comment As I said before, I'm abstaining from voting. I'm not making a claim about anything regarding the band -- I just wanted to point out that the AfD is meant to be a conversation, not a straight up vote. And right now, it's just a vote. People are just citing a policy but not what's IN the policy, and although WP:JUSTAPOLICY is just an essay, that doens't mean it's wrong. That's all. Rockstar915 16:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

• • • The label isn't even particularly notable itself. It's some unknown independent label; we're not talking about Virgin Records or something. -- Cielomobile ^{talk / contribs} 00:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
      • WP:music states that they can have releases on a major indie label. Virgin is not an independent label and Evol Intent is obviously not a group that would be featured on a primetime "build a star" game show. Renegade is one of the most important labels in the culture and has been around for 12 years. Here is a discography. http://www.discogs.com/label/Renegade+Hardware —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ab3 (talk • contribs) 14:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC).
• Keep evol intent is very established and more than qualifies for wikipedia. please research before you comment. please see my concerns below.
• STRONG DELETE - not notable and probably self-promotional. Ward3001 22:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country, reported in reliable source.

many tours in various countries including america, france, england, switzerland, slovenia, germany, and austria. http://www.evolintent.com/banners/evolintentloveseurope.jpg

• Lacks a reliable source. The band's own website does not qualify.

• Comment Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).

renegade hardware. http://www.discogs.com/release/557675 human imprint. http://www.discogs.com/release/297538

• The album listed on the second link has no content by Evol Intent.

• • • it seems as if people are reading what they want. If you open the second link you'll notice two tracks by EI. CD1 mixed by Dieselboy (one of the most well-known DJ/producers in the scene contains Evol Intent on track-11. CD2 track-4 contains another Evol Intent track.
      
• Comment 6. Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.

http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A21300 creative loafing is one of the most established local happenings journals in atlanta.

• This review from a website (whose own notability is unestablished) makes no actual claims that Evol Intent is the "most prominent representative" of the local scene. It just likes EI's music.

• Comment 10. Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network.

(BBC Radio 1)

• No evidence of this claim submitted.

• Comment 11. Has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast on a national radio or TV network.

(BBC Radio 1)

• No evidence of this claim submitted.

• Comment Featured on a multi-platform videogame release soundtrack Need For Speed: Most Wanted

http://music.ign.com/articles/658/658285p1.html http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200510/N05.1013.1241.43093.htm http://xbox.about.com/od/news/a/nfsmwnews54.htm —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ab3 (talk • contribs) 18:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

Comment Here's verification regarding playtime on BBC. British Broadcasting is quite a large radio station.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/maryannehobbs/tracklistingarchive.shtml?20051011
Comment RinseMag is a popular magazine in the breakbeat culture. This month's issue features a cover story of Evol Intent noting the producers as a driving force in North America.
http://www.rinsemag.com/press/RNS026/
Comment This article confirms international touring.
http://www.drumandbass.ch/online/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=164&Itemid=32
Comment This link contains information supporting a nominee for best breaks/dnb tracks in the Winter Music Conference.
http://www.wmcon.com/idmanominees06.htm Ab3 13:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Keep as one of the "resident experts" in the DJ/Rave field on wiki, I believe this band passes our notability criteria with flying colors... Per WP:MUSIC:

1. Has had a charted hit on any national music chart.

Has charted several times on BBC Radio 1.

2. Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country.

Their remixes have appeared on several gold selling albums.

3. Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country

Has toured in US, Canada, UK, Germany, Russia, France, and Belgium (that I am aware of).

4. Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).

This one is hard to respond to because most people wouldnt consider even the largest selling Drum and Bass labels "a major label" or "important indie label" however they are signed to, and have had tracks published on one of the larger US and one of the larger UK DnB labels (Renegade Hardware discography, Human Imprint discography)

5. Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such.

Not applicable

6. Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.

Has become one of the most prominent names in the American Drum and Bass scene.

7. Has won a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno or Mercury award.

Not applicable

8. Has won or placed in a major music competition.

Not applicable

9. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show.

Need for Speed: Most Wanted soundtrack

10. Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network.

Has seen significant rotation on BBC Radio 1

11. Has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast on a national radio or TV network.

Had a 1 hour set on the Breezeblock on BBC Radio 1.

Having passed numerous criteria on WP:MUSIC, they qualify per our standards.  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 03:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep per everything User:Alkivar said. Veesicle (Talk) (Contribs) 03:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep per the commentary by Alkivar above, this is pretty much an open and shut case. RFerreira 04:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.