Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Early Republican Party (United States)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete both. Petros471 13:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Early Republican Party (United States)

PoV fork of Democratic-Republican Party (United States); unsourced, inaccurate, PoV and interfering with getting the location of that article, which is disputed, settled. Produced by cut-and-paste by a single unser. Septentrionalis 21:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

• I am nominating Jeffersonian Republican Party which is also a fork of Democratic-Republican Party (United States), much like Early Republican Party (United States). — DLJessup (talk) 22:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

• Strong delete. Septentrionalis's nomination covers all the relevant points. — DLJessup (talk) 21:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete both Septentrionalis 22:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, but make sure the talk page is moved back to Democratic-Republican Party (United States) (see below). --JW1805 (Talk) 02:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• KEEP Jeffersonian Republican Party - I think this is the most unambiguous name for the party in the first-party system that developed in opposition to the Hamiltonian Federalists. It is apparently also a name with considerable currency. The other proposals are not as clear and D-R has confused people and been contested here for years. Delete both others --JimWae 20:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
  • JimWae: the important thing is to keep the article history currently residing at Democratic-Republican Party (United States) and eliminate the two article clones whose history started yesterday. Once that is done, then the article can be moved to whatever title we can reach a consensus on. — DLJessup (talk) 21:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Yes, by all means, yes --JimWae 04:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep all three and direct Jeffersonian Republican Party to Early Republican Party -The early Republican Party was a seperate party from the two break away parties Dem-Rep & Nat-Rep. If you want to view all of them as a continuation party with no breaks, then you can do that too. But, there was a split -right? And that split resulted in two parties with a different name than the former -right? User:Nikpapag (talk), September 2006
  • To put it briefly, wrong. The party before the breakup had many names, including DR and NR. But even if this were right, the PoV forks and cut-and paste jobs should be deleted. Whether the original article should be moved is another question. Septentrionalis 20:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

• Note to administrator who cleans this up: Currently Talk:Early Republican Party (United States) is the actual talk page that belongs to Democratic-Republican Party (United States). Due to the cut-and-paste moves, I erroneously believed that the talk page had been left behind in one of the moves and moved it to the wrong place. I can no longer move the talk page back to its original location, although I have created a Requested Move. Please make sure that this talk page is moved before deleting this article. Thank you. — DLJessup (talk) 21:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Note: Vegaswikian just moved the talk page; so that's taken care of. Septentrionalis 22:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
• Exactly. This is why the page nominated should be deleted rather than redirected: too much potential confusion. Septentrionalis 22:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: I would suggest the AfDs be put on hold until the cleanup and requested moves have been made. Right now, at first glance, I see articles about the Republican Party being put up for deletion (questionable on its face, you must admit), people adding articles second-hand for deletion and a revert war in the history of at least one article. --Aaron 01:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
  • All these are efforts to contain the disruptive edits of User:Nikpapag by several editors. The articles put up for deletion are forks, which Nikpapag created by cuts and pastes, of Democratic-Republican Party (United States). This is the party of Jefferson and Madison, which broke up in 1824, not the present Republican party. Septentrionalis 03:34, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually, Jeffersonian Republican Party was first made into a cut-and-paste by Rjensen at 06:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC). The page already existed as a redirect which Rjensen overlaid with a copy of Democratic-Republican Party (United States). Nikpapag created Early Republican Party (United States) as a clone of his preferred version of Democratic-Republican Party (United States) about 8 hours later, at 14:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC). — DLJessup (talk) 12:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Another comment: The Democratic-Republican Party was, prior to Jackson, known simply as the Republican Party. We may consider that separate articles (for Democratic-Republican Party and Early Republican Party) may well be appropriate. Allon Fambrizzi 04:00, 21 September 2006 (UTC)Allon Fambrizzi
  • This claim is disputable, and is being discussed on Talk:Early Republican Party (United States); but it is peripheral to this AfD. Editors on both sides of that discussion have reverted Nikpapag's edits, which are simple mischief, and interfere with the discussion. These three pages are the same article; two of them have Nikpapag's unsourced claims that Jackson belonged to the "Democrat Republican Party" [sic]. Septentrionalis 05:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete the fork. The closing admin can clean up the mess. blameless 20:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Only compounds an already confusing nomenclature. older ≠ wiser 15:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.