Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dwain Messer

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The result of the debate was Keep. Rje 06:08, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dwain Messer

Delete, The subject is non-notable, and the entry itself is a blatant advertisement for his product. As such I believe it should be deleted as per Wikipedia's policy. Agriculture 05:49, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• He has also opened for several big country music stars such as Kenny Chesney and Bryan White sounds notable, but I agree that with one CD out and an official site that hasn't been updated for more than a year, it's unlikely it's noteworthy. However, I don't think the article is particularly ad-like. Abstain. Mgm|^(talk) 08:33, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)

"and he has released his first album which can be purchased on his official site" - This sounds like a blatant ad to me. Agriculture 09:06, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• Keep perhaps not a superstar, but anyone who's opened for Lee Ann Womack in front of 30,000 people can no longer be considered any sort of neophyte, either. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 18:13, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)

• I'd disagree with that one, a lot of non-notables open for notables. What bothers me most is the ad like nature of the entry, and the fact that his website hasn't been updated in a year suggesting this is just a marketing campaign for an unknown. Agriculture 18:50, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I disagree with you on two points: 1) The entire assertion that the article is ad-like seems to come from the one statement about being able to buy his CD on his website. I agree that that sentence should probably go... but deleting an article because of one iffy sentence isn't right. If I added a sentence to The Beatles saying that Beatles CDs can be bought at record stores, that would not be grounds to remove the whole article. 2) More importantly, the whole thing about the website not being updated in a year is SIMPLY NOT TRUE! On the very front page it says "Don't Miss The Show with Exile on Feb. 26th 2005". That must have been written fairly recently, unless it's common among Country artists to schedule shows years in advance. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 22:09, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)

The Beatles are very notable, so there is no comparison. The fact is this stub contains little more than the ad, removing the ad practically removes the article. Do searches for Dwain, it's tough to find anything about him. This reeks of an unknown musician trying to get some sales through wikipedia. Not notable, and using this Wikipedia for something it is not. Agriculture 22:19, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• Keep, obviously. GRider\^talk 19:28, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable --BenWilson 19:37, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep/cleanup. Samaritan 20:33, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Opening for big music stars (who they?) might make you think he's someone. But I've seen countless bands/individuals open for bigger names and then disappear off the face of the planet. One CD and an unused official site rather sounds as if this chap has gone the same way. (Apologies in advance to C&W fans if I'm wrong!) --Marcus22 21:05, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, not notable - less than 60 Google hits (including his own website), article reads like a promo. Megan1967 05:43, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. ComCat.
• Keep. While this is a borderline case, a CD (albeit indy) plus a US club tour in 2003 plus support slots for a number of high profile country stars means that this person is worth having an article on. High profile acts want an opening act who the crowd will like - otherwise it puts them in a bad mood for the main show. The fact that he has won opening slots for a number of stars indicates that Messer must have a fairly good reputation. By the way, his website refers to upcoming gigs which indicates that he is still active. Capitalistroadster 07:29, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Maybe someday he'll be a noteworthy performer, but that isn't today. Wagiles 01:14, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. He may be notable someday, but not today. Indrian 20:12, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and categorize it as non notable Faethon35 09:44, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • What does that mean? Carrp | Talk 14:59, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • Please refer to that user's entry in Wikipedia:clueless newbies and the further discussion that it links to. The vote is discountable. Uncle G 18:51, 2005 Feb 12 (UTC)
• Weak Keep. The article needs cleanup but I think he's barely notable enough to include. Carrp | Talk 14:59, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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