Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Duong Trieu Vu

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep as translated. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 17:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Duong Trieu Vu

Listed at WP:PNT for over two weeks. Discussion from there follows. No vote from me. Stifle (talk) 09:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

The language of this article is unknown. --12.29.175.2 15:06, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Vietnamese. Kusma (討論) 15:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Google tells me he's a singer. Kimchi.sg 15:13, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, only the last paragraph is relevant to the analysis. The other stuff is mainly about his upbringing, how he is a good boy, a parent's dream, apparently he did the International Baccalaureate (so did I and I'm not a notable academic, heh), then he auditioned successfully for Paris by Night (which is an iconic music-video show which releases 5-6 new 3hr DVDs each year of their assortment of Vietnamese language performers of Vietnamese music/skits/dancing outside of Vietnam, and is very popular - my parents tried to borrow a new release at the library and they started off as #76 in the waiting list and finally got it after 9 months) - however it appears that he won the audition to become a guest artist and has not yet become one the regulars, who typically do three or four items on each recording. Work out if this is good enough for inclusion (I doubt it personally)- if so, I'll translate some day but not now. Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 05:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I've translated the paragraph which is the basis of his claim to notability. Please take a look. Also, I've been doing all these translations, without a dictionary. Should I change my vietnamese userbox to level 2?Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 00:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

(de-indenting) This guy deserves an article, because he seems to satisfy WP:MUSIC criteria 9, "Has won or placed in a major music competition." In addition, I guess his songs may have been aired on at least one Vietnam national radio station too? And Blnguyen, that translation looks readable enough for you to promote your VN fluency userbox, IMO. Kimchi.sg 01:09, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it isn't a music competition. It's basically a music variety show, which is accompanied by short interviews resembling notable chat-shows. If he has become a regular performer who appears on each DVD show as a regular cast member, then it hasn't been claimed in the article. The songs wouldn't have gotten on National media in Vietnam as Paris by Night is a diaspora show which is hosted by Nguyen Cao Ky Duyen, the daughter of ex South-Vietnam Prime Minister Nguyen Cao Ky, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was censored in Vietnam. It is very popular outside of Vietnam, so I wouldn't be surprised if the artists got regular airtime on 24hr Vietnamese stations in the United States - mainly in California, esp San Jose, Orange County, as well as Houston. Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 03:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC).

OK, It's not stated in the actual article, but he is a regular cast member for at least a year now. I'd lean towards keeping it now, as I looked on the DVD cover of the last one that I was talking about, and this product has distribution offices in USA, AUS, Canada and France. This is also the largest Vietnamese music-show/troupe outside Vietnam (^{[citation needed]}).Blnguyen | rant-line 02:56, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it's a copyvio of his official site, although if I translated and NPOV-ed it, it wouldn't be anymore.Blnguyen | rant-line 02:59, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think direct translation is enough to avoid copyright. If it is a direct copyover, it would need a lot of work to be keepable under copyright laws. - Che Nuevara: ^{Join the Revolution} 12:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Paris by Night is very notable. I question his notablility. GIven that it has been two weeks on the tag, this article will need to be cleaned up quick to survive AfD.--Nick Y. 18:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete not in English. One album fails WP:Music--Nick Y. 00:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Can't sleep, clown will eat me 03:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete unless someone takes the time to translate it into English, in which case another review is warranted. -- H·G (^words/_works) 05:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep notable enough. although he only has one single album, he is a regular cast member in a notable long running show - and I see that regulars in Young and the Restless, Home and Away, etc get their own articles. It is in English now. Blnguyen | rant-line 07:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per what I said at WP:PNT and Blnguyen. Kimchi.sg 08:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
• keep please paris by night is very notable help remove systemic bias Yuckfoo 08:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Blnguyen, plus the article is in English now. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 09:02, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, and suggest early closure: this is not the nominated article any more. Smerdis of Tlön 14:41, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Nice job cleaning up and translating the article. Perhaps there could be more about his on going involvement in Paris by night, such as which DVDs he's one etc. That would be the best evidence of notability.--Nick Y. 16:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

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