Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death by Chocolate

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. – Rich Farmbrough 17:19, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Death by Chocolate

Not enclopedic. The article is too vague; there's no specific dish by this name. Should be broken up, with a stub or dab for the Diane Mott Davidson book, and then separate articles for specific dishes or types (e.g., flourless chocolate cake, molten chocolate cake). Keithlaw 15:32, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

More evidence: I just pulled out two great cookbooks, Joy of Cooking and Baking Illustrated. The former is something of an encyclopedia of cooking, while the latter is a more recent but very thorough catalog of baking recipes. Neither has a listing for "Death by Chocolate." Both have listings for "flourless chocolate cake." Joy has a listing for "molten chocolate cake," while BI has a listing for "fallen chocolate cake." | Keithlaw 15:35, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

• I believe it is a specific recipe - but I'm no expert. Unless it can be edited to include substantial context and references Delete per nom. PJM 16:19, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Death By Chocolate is a general term for any baked that uses a lot of chocolate; everyone has their own DBC cookies or cake or brownies or donuts or whatever. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 16:58, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete unless rewritten to be about the bakery store/chocolatier chain of the same name. 23skidoo 19:27, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep While there is no specific recipe with this name, enough restaurants have produced dishes with the name that it's become well-known. DJ Clayworth 22:37, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. I wrote the stub, so obviously I'm in favor of keeping it. Even so, it's a pretty well-known phrase (341k google hits). It's not a specific recipe, which is why it should be a fairly general article, like snowcone. I think it's well within the scope of the encyclopedia, although I'll admit that it could be expanded.-- stillnotelf has a talk page 02:17, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
  • My issue here is not that it's not a specific recipe - it's not even a specific type of dish. It's just a marketing term, and not a standardized or trademarked one at that. It can refer to a traditional cake, a layered cake, a flourless cake, a molten chocolate cake (which is more of a soufflé), ice cream, etc. Not to repeat myself, but I think this page should be deprecated to a dab that points to the book, the chain of stores, and to pages on specific dishes that might be called Death By Chocolate. (And incidentally, I couldn't agree less with your contention that you can't make a DBC dish at home. But that's not why I AfD'd it.) | Keithlaw 03:10, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom Bwithh 05:03, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Death By Chocolate is a common item on the dessert menu of restaurants and pubs, in the UK at least. A generic humourous term for a cake/pudding which uses a huge amount of chocolate. --StoatBringer 13:09, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Widely known term CalJW 14:52, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep My wife read the book, she wouldn't want me voting any other way --Rogerd 03:49, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per Keithlaw. Yes, it is a term in use, but there is not really anything encyclopedic that can be said about it -- it has no specific definition except "dish with a lot of chocolate", or in reference to dishes on the menu of specific local restaurants. MCB 07:16, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep I have no prob with any of the pie articles, there is no definitive pot pie for example, I have no problem with this article. Alf ^melmac 08:37, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.