Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Orr

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. -R. fiend 17:33, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] David Orr

Tagged as a speedy, which IMO it was not (not nonsense, and makes a claim of notability). But the claim is not made in a verifiable way, the only link is to the site of the person written about, and there is no good indication of notability. A google search turns up several people named "David Orr" but none seem to be this person. Delete unless verifiable evidence of natability is provided. DES ^(talk) 00:29, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

• (From Author), I do have proof of these awards, I just need to scan the actual certificates into my computer to put onto either my site/ wikipedia. And yes a google search comes up with plenty of people named David Orr, because there is more than one person with my name. In fact, doing a google search on a lot of these topics is probably not the best way to determine if an article is valid or not, because google only displays websites if they are added to its server to crawl. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MrMaestro (talk • contribs) 19:39, 5 October 2005.

• • We don't need certificate scans, just add mention of the names, locations, and dates of the awards. That will let anyone interested verify this info. DES ^(talk) 00:57, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
  • And we wouldn't be reduced to a google search if you provided verifiable citations of what you have done that is notable, and when and where you did it. DES ^(talk) 00:59, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

• The author of the article states "yes a google search comes up with plenty of people named David Orr, because there is more than one person with my name." This causes concern because we have a policy guideline Wikipedia:Vanity page which states "Most often, vanity edits are edits about the editors themselves, their close relatives or their personal associates. While an article about a little-known company, say, should not automatically be taken as a vanity article, it is preferable for the initial author not to be an owner or employee of or an investor in the company; likewise, an article about a little-known musician or band should preferably not be by the musician, a member, or a manager, roadie, groupie, etc. Articles on very little-known subjects are often of debatable value for our readers, so if you write a new article on one it is particularly important to express the facts in a neutral way and as much as possible to cite sources that are credible, neutral, and independent.

• As explained below, vanity by itself is not a basis for deletion, but lack of importance is (whether or not defined by Wikipedia:Importance)." Importance is determined against guidelines outlined in WP:music for musicians and the article does not establish notability against these guidelines. However, you are welcome to put them on your user page. Welcome to Wikipedia, by the way. I vote to Userfy if that is the author's intentions until such time as notability can be established according to WP:music. Capitalistroadster 00:55, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

• Haha I know a guy names David Orr who is most definately not this guy. Delete With 5 Day Period per the nomination, do not speedy because the guy at least makes an assertion of notability. CastAStone 01:13, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
  • My "favorite" David Orr is the Cook County Clerk (in Chicago). He's probably just as notable as this guy. We need a disambig page!

• Scanned certificates or not, this not worth an article. Classic vanity article. Delete. --Calton | Talk 01:16, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete slowly. I guess that's an assertion of notability. Friday (talk) 02:45, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

• Delete - This is an article about an aspiring musician. It mentions some awards and certificates --- none of which are particularly prestigious. I wish Mr. Orr the best of luck, but he doesn't qualify as "notable" yet. jmd
• Delete. Non-notable. utcursch | talk 11:07, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete May well be back one day when he is notable. Marcus22 14:17, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
• Userfy or Delete. Statewide High School level awards don't confer notability.--Isotope23 15:11, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - nn vanity CLW 18:54, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
• Speedy userfy regardless of certificate scans. Hall Monitor 20:03, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Stu 00:44, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.