Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dan Deacon

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:25, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dan Deacon

Does not fulfill the notability requirements laid down by WP:MUSIC. — WCityMike ^(T | C)  ⇓ plz reply HERE  (why?) ⇓  03:18, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete SM247 03:21, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. DVD+ R/W 03:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Not notable. DarthVader 05:41, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• 'Delete, fails WP:MUSIC. --Terence Ong 05:49, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, fails WP:MUSIC - Motor (talk) 08:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, easily passes WP:MUSIC. "Since May of 2004 Dan has been touring almost nonstop throughout the United States." [1] "The Baltimore Citypaper named Dan Deacon Best Solo Artist of Baltimore for 2006." [2] Am I the only person to google the artist to determine notability? Royalbroil 13:53, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment, no it's just that we, well me certainly, dismissed it as still not meeting WP:MUSIC. Mainly because a MySpace userpage is a pretty big warning flag and I couldn't find anything for sale. Everything pointed to a minor musician with some small press/blog mentions. Hence the delete vote, which I stand by. - Motor (talk) 17:58, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep, Googling shows airplay as far back as 2003-2004, confirming User:Royalbroil's findings, reviewed on Explodingplastic, toured extensively for the last 3+ years; meets WP:MUSIC. Angus McLellan (Talk) 14:39, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above comments. Amazinglarry 15:37, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as meeting the definitions of the WP:MUSIC guidelines. Yamaguchi先生 15:37, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:MUSIC. Royalbroil's research is commendable, but MySpace isn't close to a reliable source for information (you should see my MySpace page... it says I rule you all like a God). Find an external source that lists a national tour and find an external citation for the Baltimore Citypaper, (or post a source for "airplay as far back as 2003-2004") I'd be willing reconsider.--Isotope23 16:21, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

What I found: Citypaper, airplay, part of a 2 hour radio special (googlecache); review on Explodingplastic. Somebody at WFMU clearly likes him, but the fact that I can't find any of his stuff for sale is a negative. Nonetheless, I see him as meeting WP:BIO. Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:54, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, what part of WP:BIO do you see him meeting? I saw all of those links too while I was looking into this, but nothing I saw indicates he meets WP:MUSIC or WP:BIO... just that he has a supporter/supporters at WFMU.--Isotope23 17:40, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

(WP:MUSIC as Isotope23 says, notWP:BIO.) "Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or the local scene of a city ..." per the Citypaper and WFMU; said style being modern pretentious, sorry ironic. I have no idea if he gets over the touring hurdle. But I won't weep for Dan if he's deleted. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, OK, I understand what you are saying. Yeah, that is certainly an arguable point.--Isotope23 18:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per Isotope. --Strothra 17:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn & no reliable source. MaxSem 17:54, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep He has appeared on TV in Washington state, http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~leak/dan-on-nbc/ and has toured the USA. This meets WP:MUSIC criteria "Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country,[1] reported in notable and verifiable sources." . I'm in Canada and I've heard of this guy. Need I remind people that Dane Cook has a very popular myspace page? Entertainers CAN'T MAKE GOOD WEBPAGES. Should we crucify them for that? I'm starting to think that the inmates are running the asylum, and everyone has gone deletionist on me. Does Wikipedia need more storage space? I'll donate 10 bucks. Remember this is not a print encyclopedia, we can have as many articles as we want, we're not limited as to what can appear on paper. Thank you. --Sheldonc 21:19, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment It has nothing to do with, how cool or ugly his MySpace is. It has to do with meeting WP:MUSIC criteria and the evidence of meeting said criteria coming from verifiable, reliable sources. So far no evidence has been presented to show that Deacon meets WP:MUSIC (though Angus McLellan has advanced an arguable point). Appearing on a local NBC affiliate in any given city does not meet any criteria at either WP:BIO or WP:MUSIC, do that is irrelevant. Touring meets WP:MUSIC, but as you've said it has to be "reported in notable and verifiable sources". So, you would mind posting a link to the verifiable sources for Dan Deacon touring the United States?--Isotope23 12:44, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The WP:MUSIC guidelines say he only has to meet "any ONE of following the criteria", and he clearly meets several. He "Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country,[1] reported in notable and verifiable sources." why would you say there is "no evidence"? Is the Baltimore City Paper not a verifiable, reliable source? He also "Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or the local scene of a city." again verified by the Baltimore City Paper naming him "best solo performer" and running several articles on the resurgence of the Baltimore music scene, attributing it to him and his venue / non-profit music and art collective, Wham City. If you would like to see where releases of his are for sale, visit http://psych-o-path.com (featuring "notable" band Sightings on the roster) or to http://standardoilrecords.com (where you will notice that Dan appears on a split called "Porky Pig" with "notable" bands The Bran Flakes and Big City Orchestra). If you go to www.allmusic.com (which is a little bit more difficult to break into than wikipedia) you will notice that there is a page on him. You will also notice that he appeared on "Electric Love Letter" an EP by the very "notable" Langhorne Slim. To top it off he appeared on the first episode of Liam Lynch's podcast show "Lynchland". You may view it at http://www.liamlynch.net/podcast.php Liam Lynch created Sifl & Olly, recorded the hit song, "United States of Whatever" and shot the Tenacious D movie. --RobertO 10:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep There are a number of musical artists much less well-known than Deacon whose Wikipedia entries are ignored for deletion by the staff. Plus, have you ever seen this guy perform? If this entry is deleted, it will spring back up until Deacon is a household name, basically. 129.2.249.207 04:57, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.