Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CrossRoads Middle School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 00:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CrossRoads Middle School

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NN middle school. No outside sources. No sources whatsoever, in fact. Directory entry. Shimeru 00:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete No claim of notability. Schools do not all need Wikipedia articles. They may be mentioned in an article about the city.Edison 00:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete No notability asserted. Directory listing. Middle school. -- Kicking222 01:15, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I expanded the article and added references. Please take another look at the article. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 01:46, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete What am I supposed to be seeing? Zero notability asserted. JChap2007 02:34, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete No assertion of notability, and adding in ways to find where the school is doesn't help the article be any more notable. TJ Spyke 02:54, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as being expanded by TruthbringerToronto it now meets proposed WP:SCHOOLS guideline. Yamaguchi先生 04:51, 4 November 2006
  • Comment WP:SCHOOLS does not have consensus and is unlikely to ever achieve consensus. Meanwhile, we have a new proposal WP:SCHOOLS3 which it doesn't meet. Imagine that! JoshuaZ 08:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, article can be expanded even further, with references after TruthbringerToronto's cleanup, WP:LOCAL, WP:SCH. --Terence Ong _{(T | C)} 04:52, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Non notable middle school. Resolute 04:54, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per reasons discussed here and all of the above AfD's. --Doc Tropics ^{Message in a bottle} 05:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Still a directory entry. Kavadi carrier 05:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Easy, easy additions to this article; I found the school zones! WhisperToMe 06:47, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep expanded and referenced...  ALKIVAR™ ☢ 07:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy close This has the S word in the title so will never get consensus delete. It can go one of two ways: merge, or expand. Neither requires admin powers. Guy 11:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable school. Though I'm sure the usual crowd of pro-school editors/puppets will make sure this gets kept. --- RockMFR 17:47, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Hmmm.. wait a sec... "CrossRoads Middle School students tackle air pollution!" Wow! Rethinking... rethinking... strong delete. IronDuke 19:42, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Per Kicking, TH, Kavadi and IronDuke. JoshuaZ 23:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - middle schools are notable. --Ineffable3000 23:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• keep. Obviously more important than the average Pokemon character. Unfocused 01:42, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Actually in terms of the number of people whose lives are affected the pokemon easily wins. Furthermore, just because we have bad standards about Pokemon doesn't justify them for other things. JoshuaZ 01:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Lives affected? By 'individual' Pokemon characters? O RLY? How many people do you think are significantly affected by the Shuckle Pokemon character, individually? Pokemon characters are included because they're harmless to those who don't care, and useful to those who do. See the logic? Find any parallels to our current argument? Unfocused 05:21, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Oh don't get me wrong. I'm not asserting that the pokemon have in any meaningful way affected the people that would be at all distinct from almost any other cartoon characters or what not. I was simply making an assertion about the number of people. And again, note that the main point still holds, even if we have bad standards for Pokemon doesn't mean we should have bad standards for other things. And if we followed the "harmless" standard with your defintion of harmless why do we have any notability criteria at all? JoshuaZ 06:23, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Well, to briefly answer, verifiability itself implies a certain degree of notability, as independent sources must find something notable enough to report about it. In some cases, that's more than enough, for example, in my opinion, schools. In others we can discuss as required. Unfocused 19:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
          • And why would that be enough for schools but not for people or countries even? JoshuaZ 08:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
            • Please show me a single country that isn't in "notable" enough to be in Wikipedia simply by being verifiable. Unfocused 13:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
              • With pleasure -[1]. JoshuaZ 17:05, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
                • I'm not going to bother any further here because I think you're just arguing for arguments' sake. Congratulations on successfully setting, trolling, and springing your trap. It doesn't make a difference because, unlike schools, I'm pretty sure your favorite little troll-berg was the creation of an individual, for himself, and unsanctioned by any government but the one in his mind. Unfocused 19:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
                  • Actually, I didn't have a "trap" set. In fact, when you asked me for it I had to go look for an example. See [2]. Are you now asserting that schools must be sanctioned by a government in order to be notable? I (and I suspect most editors) would see accredition/recognition as not the be-all and end-all factor to whether a school should be kept. Obvious unaccredited but notable schools would be for example Bob Jones University. And now, I'm not just "arguing for argument's sake" - I do that quite often in real life but generally don't do it on Wiki since the point of Wikipedia is not have fun debating but to write an encyclopedia. I am arguing because I don't think schools have inherent notability and given that neither people nor countries have inherent notability per long-standing precedent I have a lot of trouble with the idea that schools somehow have some form of inherent notability that countries lack. If micronations with a handful of people aren't necessarily notable then it isn't clear why schools with a handful of people should be notable. Given that, all schools are not notable. So the basic argument fails. JoshuaZ 20:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, Kicking222. Another WP:HOLE waste of electrons. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Thanks again to TruthbringerToronto for the improvements to the article. The school includes references to community activities and will benefit from additional expansion. Alansohn 19:12, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Cribcage 05:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Is there some reason that you are saying that? Remember, AfD is not a vote. JoshuaZ 05:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, enclopedic coverage of an encyclopedic topic. Kappa 07:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Alkivar, etc. --Myles Long 17:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I'm not sure what article the nominator was looking at, but this is well sourced and far from a directory entry, and provides enclopedic coverage of an encyclopedic topic. Silensor 23:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep It's a school, it is a reasonable size, it is notable and the only reason schools aren't in a normal encyclopedia is size restriction which doesn't affect Wikipedia - why is it up for AfD? --Mike 18:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment What makes you think it is notable? JoshuaZ 19:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn school. Carlossuarez46 22:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.