Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Croquet project

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus to delete the article. Mailer Diablo 02:51, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Croquet project

Rather spammy article for a produt for which most Googles appear to be press releases, mirrors, add-it-yourself review sites and the like. Lots of information about what it's intended to be and so on, but nothing about market share, significance, installed base, notable users and so on. Some evidence of collaborators at various universities, but not that it is genuinely significant (ocmpares itself to Project Looking Glass but is it really comparable?). Happy to be proved wrong, of course. Just zis Guy you know? 22:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Looks notable, could be expanded upon with citations, of course. —Eternal Equinox | talk 22:06, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as not existing yet. "The Croquet Project is an effort to develop an open source collaborative media authoring and publication technology". The article would be welcome if the project was finished and userbase was significant. Monkeyman^(talk) 23:08, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Looks notable only with big promises and use of buzzwords. Nothing to deliver now. Wait until then. Pavel Vozenilek 22:22, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

While the name of Alan Kay has significance the real notability will be in the result and it is not yet here. Pavel Vozenilek 22:25, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep: Croquet is a research project -- market share & installed base requirements are a bit premature :) But it is Real Software that works Right Now -- you can download it from opencroquet.org. The folk who work on it tend to favor writing code rather than wiki articles, but it's definitely not Duke Nukem Forever.... or Looking Glass for that matter. It's a 3-D multiuser environment which scales without central servers, and in which every 'object' is programmable. I invite you to try it before dismissing it.
• Delete per WP:VSCA. Stifle 09:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep. Seems to be the only Free software in this area, and I know I've see articles on it in print somewhere. --maru (talk) contribs 03:08, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep: It is a significant research project that, although in its infancy, is important in enough circles that it deserves an entry. It is not 'vaporware' (you can download it and try it now). Honestly, I was surprised to see it marked for deletion.

• Keep: This is a major project (I've downloaded it - 135MB!) just about to release 1.0. It has been discussed at several conferences (more scheduled) and Alan Kay is closely associated with it. This isn't some tiny, obscure Sourceforge project. Sure, it's in an early stage, but IMHO it's worthy of Wikipedia. Planned capabilities go far beyond LookingGlass and include a full 3D collaborative environment with a physics engine. Being based on SmallTalk, it has possibilities unrealizable with Java. I suggest you review the screenshot presentation on the website. (I disagree with almost every reason that the OP gives for deletion. While proprietary vaporware is not worthy of inclusion, it's a different story for FOSS. The presence of a Wikipedia article may help drive development.)--Kbk 21:21, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

• That's "just about to release 1.0" in the sense of "still in beta", right? Just zis Guy you know? 15:27, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Keep in mind for free software, usually release 1.0 is far more meaningful than for commercial software. I mean, look at WINE- their stuff works great, is as stable as hell, and they are still "beta". GNU Emacs is something like 20 years old and barely at version 2 (by the original conventional numbering). --maru (talk) contribs 20:49, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep: A look through the key players on this major project will show this is not vaporware. The vast majority of it is up and running today. The very spirit of collaboration on which Wikipedia thrives is at the heart of Croquet.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.