Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crissy Moran(2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 21:09, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Crissy Moran

Crissy Moran (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable porn star. Despite the claims made in the last AfD, Moran does not have any credible claim to notability sufficient to allow keeping this article. Utterly fails both WP:BIO and WP:PORNBIO, as evidenced by the lack of any reliable sources writing about her. Valrith 03:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• weak keep, don't the many stories that google turns about her conversion to christianity count as sources about her? Plus she's had movies with her name in the title and a song made about her by a notable artist. Not many porn stars have that. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 04:12, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. Reliable sources for those "many stories" would be a great help. :) Tevildo 04:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - much as this pains me, there are a number of porno actors with stub bios on the wiki. Ronbo76 15:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep -- not only is she reasonably well known, among the connoisseurs of such things, but her recent conversion is an interesting example of the JC's Girls phenomenon in action. Credmond 17:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep. Very notable pornstar during her active years. — Wackymacs 18:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. It should be noted that Moran is most notable for her appearances in over 100 photo shoots, not movies. — Wackymacs 18:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Crissy is a person of intrest because of her recent conversion and work with fighting the adult industry Thenext 01:18, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable on a number of fronts. 23skidoo 03:18, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. She's hot, been featured recently in Hustler as a centerfold, and her conversion to Christianity makes her an interesting character study in this genre. --68.250.102.14 19:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Credmond has already said why. <KF> 21:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Besides meeting whatever various standards, few porn stars have songs named after them. --badlydrawnjeff talk 12:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: Nearly all of the foregoing discussion by those wanting to keep this article can be summed up as keep because I like it, which is not a valid justification for keeping an article. No one has yet supplied any reliable sources writing about Moran's porn career (which is her only claim to notability), which means there can be no verifiability. No verifiability means this article must be deleted. Now let's see how well WP adheres to its policies... Valrith 02:33, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
• Comment: Okay, I've added a few more details and references to the article. As for the comment from Valrith, it seems to me that up to now the discussion has been about -notability-, and several people have demolished the argument that Moran is non-notable. Now suddenly we're supposed to be talking about -verifiability-? Well, yes, it's not so easy to document a phenomenon that exists primarily on the Internet (i.e. she's a real human being, but mostly she is an Internet figure) but several links have now been provided; the woman is not exactly hard to find in even the most superficial web search. I think the text as it now exists is pretty solid. Credmond 13:35, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per Credmond. Zz414 14:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.