Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crescent Park Elementary School (Bethel)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Delete. Essjay (Talk) 10:00, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Crescent Park Elementary School (Bethel)
This school article was nominated before in AFD last year but was kept because of all schools are notable it's a school and i like schools reasoning which is mostly moot see here. The article hasn't improved since then and notabily still isn't established,, Merge per WP:LOCAL or Delete-- Jaranda wat's sup 23:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
- Strong delete Wikipedia is not a directory. Also, this seems non-notable. Split Infinity (talk) 23:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Weak keepMergeWeighing in as a self-appointed vandalism/spam/crap-reverter of, and occasional content contributor to, Maine and New England-related articles, especially individual-community articles and the like.... I'd err on the side of "all schools are notable," "its a school," and "i like schools" until a more clear standard is established. I took a look at WP:LOCAL and it isn't very clear, IMO. I think some type of (at least somewhat) concrete and objective school notability standard needs to be debated and established.I change my mind (can I do that?--slap me if I'm not supposed to do this). Merge with Bethel, Maine or with a to-be created Maine School Administrative Distict 44 article. Ripogenus77 00:01, 17 December 2006 (UTC)DeleteNo assertion of notability whatsoever.--Húsönd 00:17, 17 December 2006 (UTC)- Changed to Delete and do not redirect. Frankly, what's the point of having this redirected? 1)Hardly anyone will ever type this exact name when searching for the school. 2)Even if they would, they already know that the school is located in Bethel. What use could it be in redirecting someone to the town article which they did not ask for? --Húsönd 14:56, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- While there is a shred of an argument present, the fundamental questions are 1) should this information be shifted somewhere?, 2) should the stub be retained as a redirect? and 3) how should users be redirected to the target of the merge? In each case, the suggested choice of delete and do not redirect is fundamentally wrong, if not vindictively destructive. There is useful information in this article that could be and should be moved somewhere, and I'm suggesting
Bethel, MaineMaine School Administrative District 44. While individuals are unlikely to go directly to the current qualified article, its retention as a redirect will allow any history to be retained in the not so unlikely event that a standalone article can be created from the existing shell at some point in the future. The Crescent Park Elementary School schooldis article should be changed to redirect toBethel, MaineMaine School Administrative District 44 and avoid the double redirect that would result from a merge/redirect. While I am willing to accept that there are perfectly valid reasons that an article does not stand on its own -- including school articles -- I am disturbed that there are so many who are willing to destroy these articles without taking any effort to see how useful information could be retained via a merge/redirect. Alansohn 16:00, 21 December 2006 (UTC)- My position is not vindictive, please assume good faith Alansohn. I just don't think that there's anything worth saving from this article and I expect a redirect to be useless. It irks me the notion of having the history kept for the sake of someone improving this article in the future, which I also find useless but there I believe we disagree due to our antagonistic views regarding school notability. Still, I have to express my view and I reiterate my position. But not vindictively, really.--Húsönd 19:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- Both WP:SCHOOL and WP:SCHOOLS3, which agree on very little, are in agreement that articles that do not meet notability standards as standalone articles be merge/redirected (where possible) rather than deleted. It seems to me to be a staggering example of bad faith to refuse to consider a merge/redirect because it irks you. That one could be irked by the presence of a redirected article goes a long way to further demonstrating that there is a strong level of vindictiveness at work here. Alansohn 19:39, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- My position is not vindictive, please assume good faith Alansohn. I just don't think that there's anything worth saving from this article and I expect a redirect to be useless. It irks me the notion of having the history kept for the sake of someone improving this article in the future, which I also find useless but there I believe we disagree due to our antagonistic views regarding school notability. Still, I have to express my view and I reiterate my position. But not vindictively, really.--Húsönd 19:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- While there is a shred of an argument present, the fundamental questions are 1) should this information be shifted somewhere?, 2) should the stub be retained as a redirect? and 3) how should users be redirected to the target of the merge? In each case, the suggested choice of delete and do not redirect is fundamentally wrong, if not vindictively destructive. There is useful information in this article that could be and should be moved somewhere, and I'm suggesting
- Changed to Delete and do not redirect. Frankly, what's the point of having this redirected? 1)Hardly anyone will ever type this exact name when searching for the school. 2)Even if they would, they already know that the school is located in Bethel. What use could it be in redirecting someone to the town article which they did not ask for? --Húsönd 14:56, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per Husond. Pete.Hurd 00:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Does not meet any of the criteria of WP:SCHOOLS3 nor WP:SCHOOLS. Not sufficiently notable. -- Kicking222 17:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
- Delete If we had an article on Maine School Administrative District 44 we might merge it there, but we don't. It doesn't belong to the article on Bethel, because although the school is there, that is not the political institution of which this is a piece. The article doesn't have adequate claims of notability to merit keeping, by the standards at WP:SCHOOLS3. GRBerry 03:07, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- There is now an article for Maine School Administrative District 44. Alansohn 20:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
WeakDelete, not convinced at all about the notability of this school. Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 03:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)- Strong Merge/Redirect to
Bethel, MaineMaine School Administrative District 44. I agree that this article does not meet the notability standards set by WP:SCHOOL or WP:SCHOOLS3. However, there is no valid reason not to merge the contents of this article to the municipality. This will allow anyone searching for the school to find the article and allow an expanded article to be created, retaining the existing history, should additional information be available in the future to establish notability for this school on a standalone basis. Alansohn 05:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC) - redirect to bethel maine article makes most sense to me Yuckfoo 01:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- Keep all verified public schools are notable. Just H 19:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
