Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Constantine Andreou

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Bucketsofg 18:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Constantine Andreou

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Nom & vote...
Del on this n-n bio:

_ _ G-test

121 of about 376 for "Constantine Andreou" artist

_ _ My ProD nomination for it has led to moderation of the article's text that i called

the claim "one of the most eminent figures in the international art scene" that is so absurdly applied to someone w/ the G-test i've also cited above.

As to that charge that the article overreaches,

_ _ it was and is of course not the basis of deletion,

_ _ it should be seen instead as a "cautionary tale" to highlight the danger of uncritically crediting the principal author's assertions of notability, and

_ _ it remains relevant in that role, despite the newly moderated language.

With similar significance, this editor requires scrutiny in the spirit of Wikipedia:Autobiography, as one who either shares a surname with the subject, or has a sufficiently single-minded interest in him as to not mind the risk of being confused with a relative.

(In these matters, it would be reasonable to assume the "principal author" is essentially the only author: User:Kimonandreou seems likely to also be 68.235.80.153 (talk • contribs), whose interests 16 months ago -- in the IP's two hours and 7 edits of contrib history -- are essentially the early ones of Kimonandreou, whose first edit to anything came within the next 16 hours. There were 67 edits to the nom'd article before my ProD nom, with 51 of them by Kimonandreou, 3 by the IP, and 16 by others; excluding 7 self-described bots (D6 is one) and 2 canceling pairs (each consisting of a vandalism and Kimonandreou's reversion of it), those become 49, 3, and 7; the diffs and "m"s show 6 of the 7 are appropriately "minor"-tagged edits like spelling fixes, lk re-targeting, or redund-cat removals, and the 7th appears to be simply thumbnailing of the pre-existing portrait.)

_ _ The article name-drops some notables, without hinting at why we should regard their notability to be contagious.

_ _ The most interesting evidence is his receipt of 3 French-named awards and/or titles, in a 4-year period when he'd passed his 80th birthday. But awards so late in life raise questions about what they mean. Could it not be that the French hand out such awards to aging resistance fighters, not for excellence in their chosen fields, but in recognition essentially of suffering & long survival? Are they part of the pursuit of la gloire de France, to be sure that every artist associated with the country bolsters the perception of Paris as the heart of the art world, by ensuring they have a means of getting counted in attempts to measure how many artists owe something to the country? I have relatively little experience with artist AfDs, and no idea how these honors have been treated in the past.
--Jerzy•t 21:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

• Strong keep Google test is innappropriate for articles that aren't recent. Additionally, artist seems to have received important awards. Am I missing something? i kan reed 21:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Nonsense. Only problem with Google test on old articles is that it can falsely suggest notability, due to unacknowledged copying from WP. What makes you imagine that lack of G-hits be less of an indication when the article is aged?
    --Jerzy•t 22:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
    
• Keep and cleanup. Passes the notability bar, but seems to have some NPOV issues. I strongly suspect that there are far more Google results for this person in languages other than English. --Hyperbole 21:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep- Someone just needs to reword and expand the lead.. otherwise looks good. Danski14 22:04, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - The list of awards alone should have made it clear this artist is notable -- the French Legion of Honor is a (the?) major French award, period. (And if it's not clear to someone reading the article what it means, then they should go and read the article about the Légion d'honneur and other related awards, which explain, and give lists of winners, from which context a reader should be able to figure out the significance of the award.) Google hits test is biased for English language. And it's simply not as helpful for all kinds of other subjects. --lquilter 02:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
• keep people do tend to receive awards late in life, so there is no reason for suspicion, and the usual criteria are satisfied. DGG 05:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
• Keep and ban the Google test from entering into these discussions while we're at it. RFerreira 08:23, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.